Game Time : Tuesday 7

Game Story : Both teams played the night before so expect a low scoring affair. Sharks beat the Av's Monday night so they don't need to win this one

 

 

Edited January 24, 20179 yr by FrostyWinnipeg

27 minutes ago, iHeart said:

#BlameTheRefs

Why? It was a crap call but it didn't cost us the game.  Pav could have made a save there. You know on 2 goals tonight our D men were on the same side of the ice leaving the opposite side wide open? Why not blame D zone play or blame Pav even for being out goalied. 

Just now, HardCoreBlue said:

I understand that but that wasn't the call the ref made. Also, one could argue Buff was playing the puck. Moot point though, game, set match for our Jets. Tough loss.

He would have if It went in. Regardless tho.. yup moot point. 

I just don't get why they are playing Pavelec, they aren't going to sign him it make no sense everyone has witnessed Pavs goalie skills since he got here, his goaltending has been no better than 2 others.

Just now, bustamente said:

I just don't get why they are playing Pavelec, they aren't going to sign him it make no sense everyone has witnessed Pavs goalie skills since he got here, his goaltending has been no better than 2 others.

Statistically... he's now worse than Helle.  

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=87861

I'm not blaming Pav but... those are Hutch like numbers there now 

3.31 GAA and 894 save percentage.  

People still refuse to look at other parts of the team? 

Edited January 25, 20179 yr by Goalie

I still don't understand if he has no future with the Jets why is he playing and taking away time from Helle win or lose he needs to play, not like this team has a chance to make the playoffs and Pavelec was not going to change that.

If the experiment isn't over it should be 

 

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

If the experiment isn't over it should be 

 

what is this "experiment" you talk about.

11 minutes ago, Ducky said:

what is this "experiment" you talk about.

The Pavelec experiment where they thought he'd be better 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96549

Hutch 

 

 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=87861

 

PAV 

 

That experiment 

 

Just for fun 

 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=144065

Helle 

Edited January 25, 20179 yr by Goalie

8 minutes ago, Goalie said:

The Pavelec experiment where they thought he'd be better 

If by they you mean Jet management and coaching staff well then we may have bigger problems than I thought.

2 minutes ago, bustamente said:

If by they you mean Jet management and coaching staff well then we may have bigger problems than I thought.

Would love to know who wanted Pav back up. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Maurice more than Chevy 

21 minutes ago, Goalie said:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96549

Hutch 

 

 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=87861

 

PAV 

 

That experiment 

 

Just for fun 

 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=144065

Helle 

You do know how percentages works right?

If you are comparing this year, you are using an extremely small sample regarding Pavs.

For example, if he stops the next 10 shots taken at him, his sv% goes up to a .902.....stop the next 15 and it is .906.

Goaltending has been poor for the Jets this season and if it were better, we would be in the playoffs....no question Hell, if any one of our goalies had won two more games, we would be in the 2nd wildcard spot!!!

23 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Would love to know who wanted Pav back up. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Maurice more than Chevy 

Regardless of whose decision it was, what were there options? Play Helle and Hutch and keep letting in 3 or 4 goals in the opening period? What would you have done?

Which goal(s) should Pavelec have stopped tonight?

3 hours ago, Goalie said:

Right call on the no goal. Seen that 1000 times. Very bad call on the penalty shot. 

Pav was back to being Pav again with his 840 save percentage. You take that penalty shot away which probably should have been stopped... why not just help trouba out and play the puck pav... it was 10 feet from you but... still let in 3. Not blaming pav here. Starting him was a terrible coaching decision 

Goalie's 4th Law

If the Jets win and Helle isn't in net, no kudos to the goaltender ever.

If the Jets win and Helle is in net, goaltending won the game.

If the Jets lose and Helle is in net, it was the Jets fault because they played poorly in front of him.

If the Jets lose and Helle isn't in net, it is always the goaltenders fault.

Edited January 25, 20179 yr by Ducky

1 hour ago, Ducky said:

Regardless of whose decision it was, what were there options? Play Helle and Hutch and keep letting in 3 or 4 goals in the opening period? What would you have done?

They weren't letting in 3 or 4 goals every opening period. Helle was around league average save % until two straight pulls torpedoed it. 

Pavs hasn't looked at all like the answer. And this is when he'd be most consumed with playing his best hockey. And he can't. Because he isn't good enough. 

Heard a caller saying no matter how bad Pavs is he looks like an NHL goalie. What does that mean? Probably that Pavs is very active and athletic in net. But he's no Hasek. We want a boring goalie. Not gumby. 

Should have stuck by Helle. 

Hey when did Helle start sucking?  Was it after he had a great performance and then his coach benched him against the best team in the league?  If Helle has a confidence problem it's on Maurice. Playing Pavs in back to backs won't help either. 

Time to go back to Helle. 

I agree, start him against Chicago.

You didn't answer what you would have done? Stuck with Helle the way he was playing? Not likely. Helle wasn't average for a starting goalie...not even close.

When did he start sucking? When was he consistent? He hasn't put together three starts where his sv% is over .907 each game.

http://www.rotoworld.com/log/nhl/4545/connor-hellebuyck

Jets D looked confused... this system is awful.

2nd goal Enstrom just gives up the puck because a Sharks player is coming in hard...  Both Jets D on one side of the ice, no one watching passing lanes to the slot

4th goal - Trouba chases the puck and then Stuart bites as well... both Jets D going into the corner, no one watching passing lanes

Lots of hesitation with Jets D picking up their man, Trouba trying to do too much now. 

This is making me miss Oduya and Hainsey... and that makes me sad.

Laine missed his check on the 4th goal too.

 

1 minute ago, Ducky said:

Laine missed his check on the 4th goal too.

 

Yup... but if Stuart plays disciplined hockey, no way that pass gets through...  everyone staring at the puck like a peewee team.

We have one real defenceman - Josh Morrissey...  Trouba and Buff play 'rover'.

 

 

5 hours ago, Floyd said:

Yup... but if Stuart plays disciplined hockey, no way that pass gets through...  everyone staring at the puck like a peewee team.

We have one real defenceman - Josh Morrissey...  Trouba and Buff play 'rover'.

 

 

so why is this?

are they doing what the coachs want them to do, or not? If not, is it cause they can't, or cause they just don't want to?

Defence was much better two years ago. The team was less talented, but more fun to watch.

Maybe the team misses Andrew Ladd,  not for scoring and such, but for leadership.

 

Edited January 25, 20179 yr by Mark F

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

so why is this?

are they doing what the coachs want them to do, or not? If not, is it cause they can't, or cause they just don't want to?

Defence was much better two years ago. The team was less talented, but more fun to watch.

Maybe the team misses Andrew Ladd,  not for scoring and such, but for leadership.

 

Yes, I remember the discipline, cohesion and structure this team had during Ladd's tenure here.

10 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Which goal(s) should Pavelec have stopped tonight?

Penalty Shot, too deep in his net.

7 hours ago, Floyd said:

Yup... but if Stuart plays disciplined hockey, no way that pass gets through...  everyone staring at the puck like a peewee team.

We have one real defenceman - Josh Morrissey...  Trouba and Buff play 'rover'.

 

 

I'm certainly no Stuart fan, but I have to place most of the blame on Trouba, for that goal; he was way out of position.  And Laine could have done a better job picking up the trailer. 

We've had a few goals against, recently, where the forwards have been pretty lackadaisical coming back to help out.  Not a good sign.