Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

3 hours ago, the watcher said:

Sometimes I love a hard body-slamming rant .Hard enough to put a grin on my face. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/7/25/guess-whos-holding-trump-accountable-regular-american-jurors

The charges against Trump in Florida will be under a Trump-appointed judge (Eileen Cannon) who has already bent over backwards once in a ruling that was both favourable to Trump and illegal (and overturned) and the jury will be picked from the same Floridians who elected DiSantis as governor.

What sign of a stroke is this? 

 

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

What sign of a stroke is this? 

 

That's what happems when you overtask windows 95.

When is it to old, seems like many a Senator want to hold on to their jobs, Feinstein is 90 and doesn't know what planet she is on, McConnell is 81 and is a POS, Grassley is 89 and is an idiot, Sanders is 81 he seems okay and a whole bunch are in their 70's

9 minutes ago, bustamente said:

When is it to old, seems like many a Senator want to hold on to their jobs, Feinstein is 90 and doesn't know what planet she is on, McConnell is 81 and is a POS, Grassley is 89 and is an idiot, Sanders is 81 he seems okay and a whole bunch are in their 70's

Different system but in Canada, Senators have to step down at 75, which seems about right.

Trump still winning as the special counsel adds more charges in the documents case, add that to a possible indictment for 1/6 and possible indictments coming in Georgia and Trumps lawyers are going to be hella busy. Hope they have all gotten big retainers.

Trump's lawyers spent two hours with DOJ's prosecutor Jack Smith today, but no one is saying what this was about  or what came of it. In related news, it has been reliably reported that a Mar-A-Lago employee has come forward stating that he was told by Trump to delete surveilance recording there. This is a smoking gun.

11 hours ago, Tracker said:

This is a smoking gun.

Smocking

On 2023-07-26 at 3:13 PM, FrostyWinnipeg said:

What sign of a stroke is this? 

 

 

 

                                        

Florida just approved PragerU Kids’ right-wing propaganda videos for use in public school classrooms. There's copaganda, celebrations of colonialism, and more. Follow along for some lessons DeSantis et al are foisting on students.

https://www.mediamatters.org/dennis-prager/lessons-florida-public-school-students-will-learn-prageru-kids

6 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Florida just approved PragerU Kids’ right-wing propaganda videos for use in public school classrooms. There's copaganda, celebrations of colonialism, and more. Follow along for some lessons DeSantis et al are foisting on students.

https://www.mediamatters.org/dennis-prager/lessons-florida-public-school-students-will-learn-prageru-kids

Its Florida, and therfore inevitable. Ironic that a state with a large Jewish population has become a hotbed for fascism.

Republican lead house accomplished nothing and are tired so they really need a 6 week vacation

The kids are smarter than the parents need more brainwashing

 

 

Apparently one of the defences that the Trump legal team is going to use is that Trump's impeachment "trial" in the Senate (which acquitted him) consitutes a legal trial and therefore he cannot be re-tried on any similar offence (double jeopardy). A laughable concept but that is what they are reduced to.

36 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Apparently one of the defences that the Trump legal team is going to use is that Trump's impeachment "trial" in the Senate (which acquitted him) consitutes a legal trial and therefore he cannot be re-tried on any similar offence (double jeopardy). A laughable concept but that is what they are reduced to.

You would need a Supreme Court to agree to that

 

My prediction, if Trump is the nomination for the Republican party and you know that's a slam dunk cause he would run as an independent and the Republicans would be handing the election to the Dems,  he won't be tried on any of the indictments till after the election. If and when he loses he will flee the country.

 

 

                                   

19 hours ago, bustamente said:

My prediction, if Trump is the nomination for the Republican party and you know that's a slam dunk cause he would run as an independent and the Republicans would be handing the election to the Dems,  he won't be tried on any of the indictments till after the election. If and when he loses he will flee the country.

This is why the right is pushing RFKjr so much. They're hoping that it will split the left vote if they can get him to run as an independent. So, Trump splits the right but the left is split with RFKjr. 

7 hours ago, JCon said:

This is why the right is pushing RFKjr so much. They're hoping that it will split the left vote if they can get him to run as an independent. So, Trump splits the right but the left is split with RFKjr. 

A pox on both their houses. RFKjr is as big a loon as DiSantis, MTG, Boebert etc etc etc.

Poll: Pro-Trump Republicans who believe he committed crimes outnumber all DeSantis voters

A new New York Times/Siena College poll finds that even after two criminal indictments and ahead of possibly two more, Donald Trump is “dominating” the entire GOP presidential primary field, including Florida Governor Ron DeSantis “by a landslide 37 percentage points.” Trump, the poll shows, currently has the majority of likely Republican primary voters. Some experts point to “racial anxiety” and “GOP hostility to changing gender roles,” some to “the loss of white straight male privilege,” and some are calling it a “cult.”

“Mr. Trump held decisive advantages across almost every demographic group and region and in every ideological wing of the party, the survey found, as Republican voters waved away concerns about his escalating legal jeopardy,” The Times’ Shane Goldmacher reports. “He led by wide margins among men and women, younger and older voters, moderates and conservatives, those who went to college and those who didn’t, and in cities, suburbs and rural areas.”

Calling the results “ominous” for the Florida governor, the Times reports the “poll shows that some of Mr. DeSantis’s central campaign arguments — that he is more electable than Mr. Trump, and that he would govern more effectively — have so far failed to break through. Even Republicans motivated by the type of issues that have fueled Mr. DeSantis’s rise, such as fighting ‘radical woke ideology,’ favored the former president.”

https://www.alternet.org/poll-pro-trump-republicans-desantis/

DEVON ARCHER BOMBSHELL BACKFIRES ON REPUBLICANS AND BLOWS UP BIDEN BRIBERY CLAIM

The big witness in the House Republican Biden bribery investigation backfired on Republicans and confirmed that there was no Biden bribery.
CNN reported:

Republicans really teed up this testimony today and promoted Archer, the former business associate of Hunter Biden, as a potential bombshell witness, as somebody who might be able to deliver that kind of smoking-gun evidence linking the president to his son, Hunter Biden’s foreign business dealings.

"I’m hearing from sources who were in the room after hours of testimony, we just saw Archer leaving, sources saying he did not deliver that smoking gun that Republicans had hoped for. A source familiar with the matter tells me that, you know, Archer told the committee that Hunter Biden was selling the illusion, in quotes, of access to his father, you know, his father not directly implicating President Joe Biden in any of the foreign dealings but saying Hunter Biden was trying to essentially trick business partners into thinking he could provide direct access to his father."

GOP claims Hunter Biden’s calls with his father as brother was dying of cancer are proof of criminal activity

U.S. Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY), the only member of Congress to sit through Monday’s entire closed-door testimony from House Republicans’ witness in their investigation into Hunter Biden’s business dealings, says President Biden and his son had frequent phone calls to support each other when Beau Biden was dying of cancer.

Republicans have baselessly grabbed onto the claim, made by Hunter Biden’s former business partner Devon Archer, as supposed proof of criminal activity by President Joe Biden.
Congressman Jackson was the White House Physician during the time then-Vice President Biden’s son was dying and would have known about the family tragedy.

Beau Biden, President Biden’s oldest son and the former Attorney General of Delaware, died of cancer in 2015. His death, is believed to be the result of the “burn pits” the U.S. Military used during the Iraq War.

Trump wins again today

13 minutes ago, bustamente said:

Trump wins again today

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Trump charged in probe of Jan. 6, efforts to overturn 2020 election

By Devlin Barrett, Spencer S. Hsu, Perry Stein, Josh Dawsey and Jacqueline Alemany

Updated August 1, 2023 at 5:44 p.m. EDT|Published August 1, 2023 at 5:16 p.m. EDT

 

A grand jury indicted former president Donald Trump Tuesday for a raft of alleged crimes in his brazen efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election — the latest legal and political aftershock stemming from the riot at the U.S. Capitol two and a half years ago.

The four-count, 45-page indictment accuses Trump of three distinct conspiracies, charging that he conspired to defraud the U.S., conspired to obstruct an official proceeding and conspired against people’s rights.

“Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power,” the indictment charges.

A spokesman for the former president, Steven Cheung, accused the current administration of trying to interfere with the 2024 election by targeting the current GOP frontrunner.

About 5 p.m., reporters observed a prosecutor with special counsel Jack Smith’s office and the foreperson of a grand jury that has been active for many months examining the events surrounding Jan. 6 deliver the indictment to a magistrate judge in federal court in Washington, D.C.

That grand jury panel gathered Tuesday, and left the courthouse in the afternoon. The indictment is the first known charge or charges to be filed in the special counsel probe of the machinations that led up to the Jan. 6, 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol, and its aftermath.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Moxila A. Upadhyaya accepted the grand jury return, saying, “I do have one indictment return before me, and I have reviewed the paperwork in connection with this indictment.”

The indictment could mark a major new phase in Smith’s investigation of the former president and his aides and allies, coming nearly two months after Trump and his longtime valet were indicted for allegedly mishandling classified documents and scheming to prevent government officials from retrieving them.

Trump, who has pleaded not guilty in the documents case, denies all wrongdoing related to the 2020 election as well. He announced on social media on July 18 that his lawyers had been told he was a target in the election-focused probe.

Smith was tapped in November to take charge of the both high-profile investigations, after Trump launched his 2024 presidential election campaign and Attorney General Merrick Garland — an appointee of President Biden — concluded that an independent prosecutor should oversee the probes.

 

A state grand jury in Fulton County, Ga., is also considering whether to file broad charges against Trump and his lawyers, advocates, and aides over their efforts to undo the 2020 election results. A decision on that front is expected in August, although previous plans to announce a charging decision have been delayed. Michigan and Arizona are also investigating aspects of the efforts to block Biden’s victory in their states.

Trump, who is the first former president charged with a crime, is facing a remarkable challenge: as a leading candidate for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, he is likely to be juggling campaign events with court hearings and criminal trials for months on end.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/01/trump-indictment-jan-6-2020-election/