Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

 

 

14 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

If he has nothing to hide, how is it criminal process targeting? Oh wait, got it.

Edited May 12, 20205 yr by HardCoreBlue

Any truth to the rumour that the W.H. Is bringing in a psychiatrist who mirrors exactly what President Trump has accomplished in his presidency so far.?

Of course that would be Dr Dolittle..

 

1 minute ago, HardCoreBlue said:

If he has nothing to hide, how is it criminal targeting? Oh wait, got it.

I think Clinton sitting for a deposition is a pretty good precedent that the President is not above the law.  How can GOP argue differently?

Hilarious and sad and true..

 

 

32 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Did you consider the possibility that he wasnt guilty?  Like many Republicans also thought?

Also you said the vote was purely partisan which it wasnt.  You were wrong.

Since Mitt voted guilty I guess Trump's wasn't partisan either then. 

He can always try the Clinton defence,

"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the—if he—if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement."^[

22 minutes ago, pigseye said:

He can always try the Clinton defence,

"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the—if he—if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement."^[

What does Clinton’s impeachment have to do with trumps?  They were both impeached.  Why are you trying to deflect discussion to clinton?  Does any criticism of trump sting you that personally?   

26 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Since Mitt voted guilty I guess Trump's wasn't partisan either then. 

That’s true.  Very good.  

3 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

What does Clinton’s impeachment have to do with trumps?  They were both impeached.  Why are you trying to deflect discussion to clinton?  Does any criticism of trump sting you that personally?   

I have no problem with criticism of Trump, he deserves pretty much everything he gets but some people go overboard with it and I just try to bring them back from the edge. I worry about some of you, you shouldn't let him get to you personally. For so it almost seems to be life or death, he's just another bad president, let it go. 

We are seeing for some it is life or death yea. No hyperbole real life stuff.

Cause there are no degrees of criminality! lying about something personal like a BJ from an Intern is exactly the same as all the **** Trump has done. I mean christ Trump has lied about plenty of BJs I am sure. 

32 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Cause there are no degrees of criminality! lying about something personal like a BJ from an Intern is exactly the same as all the **** Trump has done. I mean christ Trump has lied about plenty of BJs I am sure. 

Yeah but obstructing justice to cover it up is a crime even if a BJ isn't. 

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

Still scary that they are even debating this. Insane.

Just now, Tracker said:

Still scary that they are even debating this. Insane.

Its really the fundamental issue.  Is the President above the law.  Hard to imagine SCOTUS saying he is as it gives the Presidency dictatorial powers forever.  If if the right leaning Justices got for it, and you expect your SCOTUS justices to be above politics, hard to fathom Roberts goes along.   

9 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Yeah but obstructing justice to cover it up is a crime even if a BJ isn't. 

OK then how about the fact that Clinton got an actual trial in the senate with witnesses and testimony and all that while Trump didn't have to go through that? 

 

Totally the samers right? 

Just now, The Unknown Poster said:

Its really the fundamental issue.  Is the President above the law.  Hard to imagine SCOTUS saying he is as it gives the Presidency dictatorial powers forever.  If if the right leaning Justices got for it, and you expect your SCOTUS justices to be above politics, hard to fathom Roberts goes along.   

The implication is that if the SCOTUS agrees that Trump is above the law, they can immediately take off their robes and go home forever, as it would mean that he is the ultimate authority and can overrule them as he pleases. Thus they are redundant and no longer needed. 

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Its really the fundamental issue.  Is the President above the law.  Hard to imagine SCOTUS saying he is as it gives the Presidency dictatorial powers forever.  If if the right leaning Justices got for it, and you expect your SCOTUS justices to be above politics, hard to fathom Roberts goes along.   

It is impossible to fathom especially considering some of previous rulings out there. Yet here we are. Judges are now political hacks making rulings not based on the rule of law but on partisan sides. And before anyone screams both sides it's only the one side doing this. 

7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

It is impossible to fathom especially considering some of previous rulings out there. Yet here we are. Judges are now political hacks making rulings not based on the rule of law but on partisan sides. And before anyone screams both sides it's only the one side doing this. 

You do realize that there is no legal obligation for a president to turn over their financials, don't you? 

Just another bad President?  I've see quite a few, but....

Trump is actually a textbook case of a total malignant narcissist.  The childishness, immaturity, raging tantrums, serial lying, egotism, lack of empathy or integrity....are merely symptoms of this deep seated condition...

When it comes to advice even within his own administration, the Don is simply psychologically incapable of accepting what they are telling him. Any Intelligence information that does not conform to his worldview simply cannot be processed.  This is the main reason that a lot of posts in the WH are populated with under qualified flunky's, to tell him what he wants to hear - thus "proving him right".

His internal world is filled with baseless and outlandish conspiracies that fit with his emotional needs.  In Trump's distorted, paranoid view of reality  -  NATO, EU, UN, etc, are all enemies, who rip off the US and are inherently untrustworthy.   

Trump’s weird admiration for dictators of all stripes....can be understood more readily, when one understands that actually, they exhibit the same authoritarian, narcissistic and paranoid worldviews, as Trump.  In reality, Donald simply has a higher comfort level with those folks.

His view on government is that it should be based primarily on loyalty to himself, rather than the rule of law or democratic norms.  In his world, only Trump and his allies, his supporters, and their friends are entitled to the rights and protections of the law, and if necessary, immunity from it.  Any disagreement with him is "criminal" "treasonous" or some form of devious plot against him. 

Contrary to those democratic norms, all his activities must be shielded from any form of oversight.  Therefore, the traditional balance of Judicial, Legislative and Executive entities, must be upended and institutions like the DOJ, Intelligence community, etc, be belittled, and discredited (he is working hard on those right now)

His base is passionately loyal to him, as over the years, the right wing propaganda has instilled a mindset, featuring them also as "victims" surrounded by "enemies"   Hatred of "elites" manifests itself as resistance to the "Deep State" which consists of pretty well all existing institutions.  All Trump needs now is to design the appropriate salute.

All of the traits mentioned above, have been on full naked display during the pandemic.   Some of us wondered how Trump would respond to a real crisis.  Unfortunately we don't need to wonder, any more. 

Trump transcends the usual push-pull of Democrats and Republicans.   Beyond mere policy and beliefs. - this man is a complete menace, and a danger to democracy.

Edited May 12, 20205 yr by do or die

26 minutes ago, do or die said:

Just another bad President?  I've see quite a few, but....

Trump is actually a textbook case of a total malignant narcissist.  The childishness, immaturity, raging tantrums, serial lying, egotism, lack of empathy or integrity....are merely symptoms of this deep seated condition...

When it comes to advice even within his own administration, the Don is simply psychologically incapable of accepting what they are telling him. Any Intelligence information that does not conform to his worldview simply cannot be processed.  This is the main reason that a lot of posts in the WH are populated with under qualified flunky's, to tell him what he wants to hear - thus "proving him right".

His internal world is filled with baseless and outlandish conspiracies that fit with his emotional needs.  In Trump's distorted, paranoid view of reality  -  NATO, EU, UN, etc, are all enemies, who rip off the US and are inherently untrustworthy.   

Trump’s weird admiration for dictators of all stripes....can be understood more readily, when one understands that actually, they exhibit the same authoritarian, narcissistic and paranoid worldviews, as Trump.  In reality, Donald simply has a higher comfort level with those folks.

His view on government is that it should be based primarily on loyalty to himself, rather than the rule of law or democratic norms.  In his world, only Trump and his allies, his supporters, and their friends are entitled to the rights and protections of the law, and if necessary, immunity from it.  Any disagreement with him is "criminal" "treasonous" or some form of devious plot against him. 

Contrary to those democratic norms, all his activities must be shielded from any form of oversight.  Therefore, the traditional balance of Judicial, Legislative and Executive entities, must be upended and institutions like the DOJ, Intelligence community, etc, be belittled, and discredited (he is working hard on those right now)

His base is passionately loyal to him, as over the years, the right wing propaganda has instilled a mindset, featuring them also as "victims" surrounded by "enemies"   Hatred of "elites" manifests itself as resistance to the "Deep State" which consists of pretty well all existing institutions.  All Trump needs now is to design the appropriate salute.

All of the traits mentioned above, have been on full naked display during the pandemic.   Some of us wondered how Trump would respond to a real crisis.  Unfortunately we don't need to wonder, any more. 

Trump transcends the usual push-pull of Democrats and Republicans.   Beyond mere policy and beliefs. - this man is a complete menace, and a danger to democracy.

It within the realm of possibility that Trump would start a war in order to boost his popularity as Margaret Thatcher did over the Falkland Islands. It worked for her, as it did for Reagan when he ordered the invasion of Grenada to oust the few dozen engineers from Cuba who were working to update Grenada's infrastructure. Everyone forgot the Lebanon disaster. Thus he is a danger to other nations as well.

Edited May 12, 20205 yr by Tracker

Indiana Pol Under Fire for Racist Meme Says He’s Not a Racist.

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In August, Indiana state lawmaker Jim Lucas was accused of racism after illustrating a post about a black rapist with a photo of a hangman’s gallows. It doesn’t look like he learned anything from that episode. The Indianapolis Star reports that Lucas, a Republican, is under fire again—this time for posting a picture of black kids dancing under the phrase “We gon’ get free money.” Lucas says that just happens to be the picture that popped up in his meme generator when he was creating a post against federal bailouts. “I don’t see anything wrong with it,” he said. “People who want to find racism are going to find racism in anything.” The Indiana Republican Party declined to weigh in, telling the Star: “If you’ve observed Rep. Lucas long enough, you know that his views are entirely his own.”

Jay Sekulow is a bad lawyer and a real idiot, you get what you pay for Trumpy

Trump baselessly accused Joe Scarborough of murder after the MSNBC host called him a “little baby”
“When will they open a Cold Case on the Psycho Joe Scarborough matter in Florida?” Trump tweets
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MAY 12, 2020 4:06PM (UTC)
This article originally appeared on Raw Story

President Donald Trump accused MSNBC's Joe Scarborough of murder — and urged authorities to open a cold case investigation — after the "Morning Joe" host called him a "little baby" about 20 minutes earlier.

Trump has lobbed allegations against Scarborough, a former friend turned daily critic, related to the death of one of his congressional staffers in 2001, including as recently as last week.