Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

He has been investigated there is a mountain of evidence against him... AND he self incriminated himself constantly admitting to his illegal and inappropriate actions...

Yet because the DoJ and Republican Senate protect him and ig ore the wrong doing you equate that with no evidence of wrong doing?  

 

Stand up and pull your head out of your ass. History will not look kindly on this president's reign or the people who blindly supported him.

Porn star hush money again, that's all you got after 4 years of constant investigations and Cohen didn't name him so he can't be charged, end of story.

 

2 hours ago, pigseye said:

Cohen didn't specifically name him although everyone knows he paid the porn stars hush money. Almost 4 years of investigation and that is all they could dig up? Trump is so corrupt but after 4 years of constant investigating they can't even name him in the charge because Cohen wouldn't name Trump in his plea deal. Yeah that Trump, he's some sort of big time criminal. lol.

 

You cant be serious with this.  He's "Individual 1", mentioned in numerous cases.  And literally, he could kill someone with his bare hands on Fox & Friends and per the DOJ, cannot be charged.

So by your logic "Why hasnt he been charged, must mean he's innocent" when you know damn well he cant be.  You cant be this obtuse.

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2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

We do. Trouble for you and your ilk is that no democrats act the way republicans do so you are left grasping at false equivalencies because you picked a team and have to cheer for then even in the face of blatant criminality and corruption... and that's the least of their transgressions.

So all the posts about the corrupt dossier affair, the leaks, the lies, abuse of power, the incompetence revealed in the IG report are in a separate thread ? I havnt read a single one

2 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Porn star hush money again, that's all you got after 4 years of constant investigations and Cohen didn't name him so he can't be charged, end of story.

 

If you have to lie, you're argument is pretty weak.   One more time, okay?....he can't be charged because the DOJ won't allow it.  Mueller even said so. 

Just now, Zontar said:

So all the posts about the corrupt dossier affair, the leaks, the lies, abuse of power, the incompetence revealed in the IG report are in a separate thread ? I havnt read a single one

Dossier is either confirmed true (as in, most of it) or unconfirmed (the little bit left, like the pee tape).

And yes, we agree, Trump should be held accountable for the lies and abuse of power.

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Are you trolling?  You cant be serious with this.  He's "Individual 1", mentioned in numerous cases.  And literally, he could kill someone with his bare hands on Fox & Friends and per the DOJ, cannot be charged.

So by your logic "Why hasnt he been charged, must mean he's innocent" when you know damn well he cant be.  You cant be this obtuse.

Cohen didn't name him so he can't be named as a co-conspirator, never mind being charged. 

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

If you have to lie, you're argument is pretty weak.   One more time, okay?....he can't be charged because the DOJ won't allow it.  Mueller even said so. 

He can be named in the charges, even if he can't be charged. 

Just now, pigseye said:

He can be named in the charges, even if he can't be charged. 

lol ok.

3 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Cohen didn't name him so he can't be named as a co-conspirator, never mind being charged. 

You know this is a lie, right?  Are you suggesting that had Cohen named Trump, that you would agree Trump is a criminal, should be charged with a felony and removed from office?  

Just ignore the trolls and move on. 

4 minutes ago, JCon said:

Just ignore the trolls and move on. 

Yeah seriously... the drive by uninformed comment with no evidence shouldn't be given any weight.  You reply to the comment with facts and evidence for what? it's ignored and they move on to another cherry picking comment... only to be rebuffed with evidence and facts again... it's the sam old troll game... takes zero time for them to post "So all the posts about the corrupt dossier affair, the leaks, the lies, abuse of power, the incompetence revealed in the IG report are in a separate thread ? I havnt read a single one"  and then it takes you an enormous amount of time to state your evidence and type out all that just to ...what... rebuff unsubstantiated talking points and **** posts... 

 

Don't waste your time... that's the game... take 15 seconds to post something inflammatory and then wait for people to waste a huge chunk of time defending something that doesn't need to be defended... 

 

38 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Cohen didn't specifically name him although everyone knows he paid the porn stars hush money. Almost 4 years of investigation and that is all they could dig up? Trump is so corrupt but after 4 years of constant investigating they can't even name him in the charge because Cohen wouldn't name Trump in his plea deal. Yeah that Trump, he's some sort of big time criminal. lol.

 

Except that's not all they dug up... why do you ignore that? That's even with the White House with the aid of the DOJ and Senate Republicans prevent witnesses from talking... 

 

So I say again, stand up and pull your head out of your ass.

36 minutes ago, Zontar said:

So all the posts about the corrupt dossier affair, the leaks, the lies, abuse of power, the incompetence revealed in the IG report are in a separate thread ? I havnt read a single one

More false equivalencies and misinformation? Seriously get some new material. Who was the last democratic president to show this blatant abuse of power and obstruction of investigation? You don't think that if there was any shred of anything against Hillary she wouldn't have been burnt at the stake? They looked damned hard for any shred of anything, like they did with Bill and Obama and found a lie about a blow job for one guy. That should tell you something.

12 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

More false equivalencies and misinformation? Seriously get some new material. Who was the last democratic president to show this blatant abuse of power and obstruction of investigation? You don't think that if there was any shred of anything against Hillary she wouldn't have been burnt at the stake? They looked damned hard for any shred of anything, like they did with Bill and Obama and found a lie about a blow job for one guy. That should tell you something.

When leftists determine the standards of when the fate of the universe is under threat from Trump ANY evidence of same behaviour from leftists is always going to be a "false equivalency".

As long as we are telling people to remove head from asses...

Edited February 13, 20205 yr by Zontar

32 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

More false equivalencies and misinformation? Seriously get some new material. Who was the last democratic president to show this blatant abuse of power and obstruction of investigation? You don't think that if there was any shred of anything against Hillary she wouldn't have been burnt at the stake? They looked damned hard for any shred of anything, like they did with Bill and Obama and found a lie about a blow job for one guy. That should tell you something.

Even the Republicans, when talking about "legitimate" impeachment refer to Nixon...a Republican. lol

27 minutes ago, Zontar said:

When leftists determine the standards of when the fate of the universe is under threat from Trump ANY evidence of same behaviour from leftists is always going to be a "false equivalency".

As long as we are telling people to remove head from asses...

Not the same- please provide examples.

 

 

Edited February 13, 20205 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

No, when someone suggests acts by Dems, essentially policies, are equivalent to corruption & crime, that is false.  Hence the term.  Why is that hard for the Trump lovers to grasp?  My God...lol

Curious to know what the exact definition of a "leftist" is.   

9 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Not the same- please provide examples.

 

 

Example for today.

Jury foreman and one jury member in Stone trial revealed to be Democrats including an internet collusion truther loonie  Should have been easily screened out in jury selection process but oddly not.

A complaint was lodged at some point and judge dismissed it. Turns out judge worked out of the same dept as the Obama appointees / Mueller team fed prosecutors.

Rigging a trial to ensure a political opponent is punished then politicized prosecutors max out the sentencing ?

To save time going to skip the next part and go right to the conclusion:  False equivalency

 

20 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Example for today.

Jury foreman and one jury member in Stone trial revealed to be Democrats including an internet collusion truther loonie  Should have been easily screened out in jury selection process but oddly not.

A complaint was lodged at some point and judge dismissed it. Turns out judge worked out of the same dept as the Obama appointees / Mueller team fed prosecutors.

Rigging a trial to ensure a political opponent is punished then politicized prosecutors max out the sentencing ?

To save time going to skip the next part and go right to the conclusion:  False equivalency

 

hahahaha you're suggesting the Stone trial was rigged because two jury members were Dems?  You really are twisting yourself in knots to defend horrible people.  I liked you all more when you pretended you hated Trump and his cronies...lol

21 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Example for today.

Jury foreman and one jury member in Stone trial revealed to be Democrats including an internet collusion truther loonie  Should have been easily screened out in jury selection process but oddly not.

A complaint was lodged at some point and judge dismissed it. Turns out judge worked out of the same dept as the Obama appointees / Mueller team fed prosecutors.

Rigging a trial to ensure a political opponent is punished then politicized prosecutors max out the sentencing ?

To save time going to skip the next part and go right to the conclusion:  False equivalency

 

So because you are a Democrat, you are not allowed to be on a jury? You have to be an Idependent or a republican?  How about Green party voters... they part of the court coup?

Why wouldn't the judge dismiss that- it's stupid.

That is a far cry from "rigging" a trial. 

 

Try again.

4 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

hahahaha you're suggesting the Stone trial was rigged because two jury members were Dems?  You really are twisting yourself in knots to defend horrible people.  I liked you all more when you pretended you hated Trump and his cronies...lol

I don't think people who fail to denounce trump are trump supporters- many of them are the "happy to have trump **** in their mouth as long as the lefties have to smell it." variety. 

47 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

I don't think people who fail to denounce trump are trump supporters- many of them are the "happy to have trump **** in their mouth as long as the lefties have to smell it." variety. 

some.  

Edited February 13, 20205 yr by The Unknown Poster

16 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

So because you are a Democrat, you are not allowed to be on a jury? You have to be an Idependent or a republican?  How about Green party voters... they part of the court coup?

Why wouldn't the judge dismiss that- it's stupid.

That is a far cry from "rigging" a trial. 

 

Try again.

Please. If you have an implicit political bias, never mind an overt one, would mean you are biased and therefore unsuitable to enusure a fair trial. This is basic common law here.

4 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Please. If you have an implicit political bias, never mind an overt one, would mean you are biased and therefore unsuitable to enusure a fair trial. This is basic common law here.

Oh cool- I had no clue, can you point me to the section where jury selection deals with that please. I am not that well versed in Law. I don't think there is such a rule, but I am open to being wrong- please show me.

Edited February 13, 20205 yr by wanna-b-fanboy