Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

The greatest lie ever told is that trickle down economics works. That is why the establishment has such a hate on for Ocasio Cortez. She care more about working class schmucks than the ultra rich.

The greatest lie ever told is that trickle down economics works. That is why the establishment has such a hate on for Ocasio Cortez. She care more about working class schmucks than the ultra rich.

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

Holy **** balls!

That is BANANAS!

wow... 

 

Just when you think this administration can no longer shock you... amazing...

5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

The greatest lie ever told is that trickle down economics works. That is why the establishment has such a hate on for Ocasio Cortez. She care more about working class schmucks than the ultra rich.

Wow there are a lot of reasons I don't like that graph....

21 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Holy **** balls!

That is BANANAS!

wow... 

 

Just when you think this administration can no longer shock you... amazing...

 

Yeah, very disturbing. Chances of a nuclear weapon getting into the hands of hard core muslim fanatic terrorists are high, if the Saudis get nuclear weapons.

Also disturbing is the strong push from Trump, Pence, Bolton, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, to attack Iran. They are really trying to start a war with Iran.

Not just Putin that has Trump over a barrel..

At what point will the Americans do something about this menace.

 

Edited February 19, 20196 yr by Mark F

Roger Stones judge should revoke his bail and throw him in jail where people who think they are smarter than everyone else get the royal treatment.

34 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

The greatest lie ever told is that trickle down economics works.

Agreed. It's crazy how many lower and middle class people vote against their own self interest.

3 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Agreed. It's crazy how many lower and middle class people vote against their own self interest.

To be fair though... many of these people who voted for trump were fed up with the status quo- and I don't blame them. They wanted real change and thought that trump would bring that about... he brought change... just not the type that helps the middle and lower class. 

 

They (we) live in a broken system of cycling through boom and bust, where the rich get richer with bail outs and the poor get poorer with belt tightening....

 

It makes no sense in continuing this economy which breaks down every 8-12 years. I mean ****... would you buy a car that breaks down every 100-150 Kms? Would you continue to invest in that car?

2 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

To be fair though... many of these people who voted for trump were fed up with the status quo- and I don't blame them. They wanted real change and thought that trump would bring that about... he brought change... just not the type that helps the middle and lower class.

I don't feel the need to try to be fair. Anybody who was paying attention knew what was coming with Trump.

I talked to plenty of people down south, before the election......and yes, they was a lot of anger at "business as usual" and some reception to a more populist brand.   But this notion that Donald Trump, of all people....was some kind of defender of American blue collar, working class people, was patently absurd, from the get-go   Simplistic slogans and dog whistling notwithstanding......  

I wrote quite a bit of stuff on this board, pre-election.....about the obvious character flaws and inherent dishonestly of Trump.   Unfortunately, afterwards....it was even worse, than I thought.....

Edited February 19, 20196 yr by do or die

2 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

I don't feel the need to try to be fair. Anybody who was paying attention knew what was coming with Trump.

 

Just now, do or die said:

I talked to plenty of people down south, before the election......and yes, they was a lot of anger at "business as usual" and some reception to a more populist brand.   But this notion that Donald Trump, of all people....was some kind of defender of American blue collar, working class people, should be been patently absurd, from the get-go   Simplistic slogans and dog whistling notwithstanding......  

 

I respect those sentiments- I do. I felt the same way too. 

I think though, that the difference is that anger fueled that election and clear thought was tossed out the window. people wanted so much to throw a brick through the window of establishment, not understanding that it was their window. 

Well this is cool.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/30/18118158/house-democrats-anti-corruption-bill-hr-1-pelosi

 

 

Voting rights, campaign finance reform, and lobbying crackdowns?   What a bunch of leftist fake issues.   Lets keep our eye on the ball, here.....

3 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Bernie's all in: https://www.apnews.com/fe9a5d1194c24ca7a826652f0c63187e

 

LOL - so true...

3 hours ago, do or die said:

Well, being able to balance a gin glass on top of my nose.....does not make me a trained seal.

I really want to drink gin with you sometime.  And CR.

3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

And by the way, still waiting for some of AOC's lies to be posted (and no Im not watching a video).  Post them here please.

Of course you aren't going to watch anything that might conflict with your inherent biases.  Her lies were well documented.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/07/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-very-bad-defense-her-falsehoods/?utm_term=.e8620982a8b7

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/04/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-trillion-mistake/?utm_term=.cede549ed8fa

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/24/ocasio-cortezs-misfired-facts-living-wage-minimum-wage/?utm_term=.e0aae77ba33f

If you want to ignore this or worse, make excuses, that's fine, but then it's just MAGA part two.  Excusing lying shouldn't be acceptable, just because that liar is a Democrat. 

Like I said though, what scares me is when smart people like Stephen Colbert bend over and don't question blatant mis-truths.  That's scary.

 

7 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

LOL - so true...

She is totally the GOP's new boogey Man

She's a young woman, of colour with power and sensible wonderful ideas.  

 

11 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

She is totally the GOP's new boogey Man

She's a young woman, of colour with power and sensible wonderful ideas.  

 

An educated young woman of colour, they are terrified. 

31 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

An educated young woman of colour, they are terrified. 

so true. so true. 

38 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

An educated young woman of colour, they are terrified. 

What exactly are these GOP people supposed to be so terrified of exactly?  AOC is the gift that keeps on giving for the Republicans.  It's the Dems that are terrified, because she is pulling the party further and further away from the center.  You can tell yourself that this is a good thing, and that her far-fetched multi-trillion dollar plans or "sensible", but that's not going to win you many elections.  For the GOP, both AOC and this Omar person have been a godsend.  

Edited February 19, 20196 yr by kelownabomberfan

26 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

What exactly are these GOP people supposed to be so terrified of exactly?  AOC is the gift that keeps on giving for the Republicans.  It's the Dems that are terrified, because she is pulling the party further and further away from the center.  You can tell yourself that this is a good thing, and that her far-fetched multi-trillion dollar plans or "sensible", but that's not going to win you many elections.  For the GOP, both AOC and this Omar person have been a godsend.  

Are they though? A godsend? 

 

The GOP core is old white males. they are losing touch with the fabric of the electorate which is half women, younger and increasingly non-white... 

So they are demonizing and alienating the very factors they are trying court... how well is that going to play out?  

 

what is crazy is that the USA is a much more liberal country then how they are represented- hence why trump lost the popular vote. its maddening to see that country have a conservative stranglehold for 2 years when they are a liberal country. 

If the GOP didn't have the deck considerably stacked- they would lose. It has nothing to do with a new green deal, that is just the latest scare tactic the GOP uses and it's pretty transparent.

Edited February 20, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

29 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

What exactly are these GOP people supposed to be so terrified of exactly?  AOC is the gift that keeps on giving for the Republicans.  It's the Dems that are terrified, because she is pulling the party further and further away from the center.  You can tell yourself that this is a good thing, and that her far-fetched multi-trillion dollar plans or "sensible", but that's not going to win you many elections.  For the GOP, both AOC and this Omar person have been a godsend.  

Terrified that she among others are talking about the good of the people rather than the good of the wealthy. Her proposals are popular, people are sick of the status quo, they tried trump and it was a disaster, the next move to shake up a broken system is for the people to take it back from the old white rich men.

5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Terrified that she among others are talking about the good of the people rather than the good of the wealthy. Her proposals are popular, people are sick of the status quo, they tried trump and it was a disaster, the next move to shake up a broken system is for the people to take it back from the old white rich men.

 

Well put.