Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

Trump signs new NAFTA agreement, a few hours later says if it isn't passed immediately, he'll just withdraw from NAFTA completely.

 

Mueller will be filing materials in court related to Michael Flynn's convictions today, and materials related to Paul Manafort's backing out of the plea agreement on Friday. If the news is half as juicy as CNN wants it to be, there should be some real heat on Trump.

Open question - Which scenario (should any of these come to pass) would be toughest for Trump's ego to take, (a) proof that he is fully involved in the Russian collusion in rigging the 2016 election (thereby outing him as a definitive liar on the one drum he has kept pounding throughout this whole mess), (b) that he has done so as part of a Russian blackmail scheme because of compromising info the Russians have on him (a.k.a. "pee pee tape") (which would display how the self-proclaimed "deal maker" has been played, outsmarted, and controlled by others - in the words of Hillary Clinton, "a puppet", not to mention the embarrassment of the tape, if he is capable of embarrassment) ,(c) no collusion but full exposure of his business dealings and use of the Presidency to line his own pockets via corrupt dealings that undermined the security and stability of the country while shining a bright light on his shady business practices, or (d) that all of this happened around him without his knowledge at all, exonerating him legally but exposing him as a clueless patsy who is the dumbest guy in the room being manipulated by the very "swamp" he promised to run out of Washington?

46 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Mueller will be filing materials in court related to Michael Flynn's convictions today, and materials related to Paul Manafort's backing out of the plea agreement on Friday. If the news is half as juicy as CNN wants it to be, there should be some real heat on Trump.

Open question - Which scenario (should any of these come to pass) would be toughest for Trump's ego to take, (a) proof that he is fully involved in the Russian collusion in rigging the 2016 election (thereby outing him as a definitive liar on the one drum he has kept pounding throughout this whole mess), (b) that he has done so as part of a Russian blackmail scheme because of compromising info the Russians have on him (a.k.a. "pee pee tape") (which would display how the self-proclaimed "deal maker" has been played, outsmarted, and controlled by others - in the words of Hillary Clinton, "a puppet", not to mention the embarrassment of the tape, if he is capable of embarrassment) ,(c) no collusion but full exposure of his business dealings and use of the Presidency to line his own pockets via corrupt dealings that undermined the security and stability of the country while shining a bright light on his shady business practices, or (d) that all of this happened around him without his knowledge at all, exonerating him legally but exposing him as a clueless patsy who is the dumbest guy in the room being manipulated by the very "swamp" he promised to run out of Washington?

To be honest, I've never been convinced there will be a gotcha moment for Trump.  I think Mueller is respected enough that he will go after whatever wrong-doing he can prove but if he doesnt have it, he doesnt have it.  And he wont nickel & dime Trump.   Its possible Trump will be insulated enough or the worst things will be "we know it happened but we cant reasonably prove it beyond doubt".

But...we shall see.

Roger Stone is a piece of work, but he is not stupid, unfortunately for Trump another campaign talking point comes back to bite him in his big fat arse.

Edited December 4, 20187 yr by bustamente

Read this and thought I would share this excellent article with everyone.

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/03/donald-trumps-moscow-deal-framers-222752

 

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Michael Cohen’s guilty plea for lying to Congress about Donald Trump’s Moscow project prompted a new frenzy of “Did the president commit a crime?” chatter among legal pundits. Finding—or refuting—a smoking gun of criminality has become the singular focus for the president’s supporters and critics alike, and his ex-lawyer’s plea deal has turbocharged the search for evidence that will definitely prove his illegal behavior. The implication is that the federal criminal code is the only arbiter of President Trump’s fitness to remain in office and that special counsel Robert Mueller will have the final say on the matter.

 

Edited December 4, 20187 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

8 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Mueller will be filing materials in court related to Michael Flynn's convictions today, and materials related to Paul Manafort's backing out of the plea agreement on Friday. If the news is half as juicy as CNN wants it to be, there should be some real heat on Trump.

Open question - Which scenario (should any of these come to pass) would be toughest for Trump's ego to take, (a) proof that he is fully involved in the Russian collusion in rigging the 2016 election (thereby outing him as a definitive liar on the one drum he has kept pounding throughout this whole mess), (b) that he has done so as part of a Russian blackmail scheme because of compromising info the Russians have on him (a.k.a. "pee pee tape") (which would display how the self-proclaimed "deal maker" has been played, outsmarted, and controlled by others - in the words of Hillary Clinton, "a puppet", not to mention the embarrassment of the tape, if he is capable of embarrassment) ,(c) no collusion but full exposure of his business dealings and use of the Presidency to line his own pockets via corrupt dealings that undermined the security and stability of the country while shining a bright light on his shady business practices, or (d) that all of this happened around him without his knowledge at all, exonerating him legally but exposing him as a clueless patsy who is the dumbest guy in the room being manipulated by the very "swamp" he promised to run out of Washington?

I would say the thing that would hurt him the most would be everyone finding out he's nowhere near as rich as he pretends to be and he's in debt up to his eyeballs with shady russians. 

That’s bad news for trump.  Seeing this equates to mueller essentially handing Flynn a pardon for his cooperation.  I guess two can play that game. 

 

so apparently Trump wants Bill Barr to replace Sessions, and from what I understand he already served as Atty General under Bush 1.0

 

A very stable genius 

 

 

3 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

Apparently, Trump has been openly discussing replacing him.

So, one has to wonder, whether this is of Kelly's initiative or he's being pushed out.

Maybe Hannity is the next Chief of Staff? 

Edited December 7, 20187 yr by JCon

Why is he assuming the report will find him guilty?  If mueller concludes trump was innocent will trump still release a counter report claiming he’s guilty?

these tweets show consciousness of guilt! 

 

Trump has been acting guilty since day 1, the entire 87 pages is probably "No collusion! No collusion! Witch hunt! You're collusion! Hillary! Dems!" over and over again. 

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

Trump has been acting guilty since day 1, the entire 87 pages is probably "No collusion! No collusion! Witch hunt! You're collusion! Hillary! Dems!" over and over again. 

Collusion is not a crime! 

Im sure the counter report will be tremendous if its Rudy G writing at Trump's direction.  

14 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Im sure the counter report will be tremendous if its Rudy G writing at Trump's direction.  

Trump to Rudy G, "Turn on the cap locks!" 

48 minutes ago, JCon said:

Collusion is not a crime! 

Interesting blurb here:

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/31/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-collusion-no-crime-right/

 

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Donald Trump says collusion is not a crime. That's not right.

By Jon Greenberg on Tuesday, July 31st, 2018 at 5:29 p.m.

President Donald Trump has consistently denied that any collusion took place between his campaign and Russia. Now, Trump and lawyer Rudy Giuliani are putting new emphasis on the question of whether collusion itself is a crime in the first place.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

As we know, stable geniuses are all in, when it comes to law breaking.  Just a confidence, that a number of these ex-Trump administration types bring up allusions to being "dumb as a rock"

Rudy getting out front....

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/420312-giuliani-mueller-accused-manafort-of-lying-about-trump

...because he knows things are about to get much worse.......

1 minute ago, do or die said:

Rudy getting out front....

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/420312-giuliani-mueller-accused-manafort-of-lying-about-trump

...because he knows things are about to get much worse.......

This would mean that Mueller has proof Trump knew about that meeting.  because he tore up the agreement with Manafort and he has to proof to a judge Manafort was lying.  

Someone pointed out that Comey could be the proof but Mueller knows Comey is a lousy witness cause he's a liar so in all likelyhood, Mueller has more than just a "he said" that Trump knew about it.  Most likely multiple witnesses.  Although you wonder...Comey liked to record his phone calls...

Almost certainly Trump lied about this on his written answers to Mueller.  I've seen people call that a felony (lying to FBI)...Im not aware that written answers are the same as verbal but I guess it makes sense.  

And the fact this is all happening after Trump submitted those answers?  Could be coincidence, could be telling.

What would be interesting is if after all this, they have no concrete evidence that Trump was directly involved in "collusion" but have him dead to rights on obstruction because he tried to lie and cover it up.  That gets him impeached.  And it probably gets him jailed.

And remember, Don Jr lied to Congress about this issue, right?  If he has Trump lying, he has Don Jr lying.  Now who flips on who?