Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

So your questioned was answered and your response is to try to cloud it with something else that you try to present as a defense of Trump.  Its always whataboutism.  Like literally, the vast majority of Trump fans simply make whataboutism arguments.  Thats why people dont often take seriously when trump defenders post here...its never really anything but nonsense.

Right over your head, again.....

18 minutes ago, pigseye said:

You label anyone a racist who doesn't agree with your view, guilt by association, that is a very thin argument but I wouldn't expect much more considering you're pretending to be a big C conservative. 

Racists are racists, just open your eyes. Muslim bans, the boogeyman at the mexican border cause brown people want to legally apply for assylum... these are just the obvious things he's done. Why try so hard to deny it? No one buys your schtick. 

8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Racists are racists, just open your eyes. Muslim bans, the boogeyman at the mexican border cause brown people want to legally apply for assylum... these are just the obvious things he's done. Why try so hard to deny it? No one buys your schtick. 

Praising white supremacists/nazi's and blaming the protesters.  How he openly treats people of colour (for example reporters).  Declaring himself a "nationalist" when he knows exactly what that means.  How about how he initially refused to reject David Duke's endorsement (the grand wizard of the KKK).  Guy's a racist.  

26 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Right over your head, again.....

Nah, Im right on point with you as usual.  Try to keep up, if you're going to keep playing this absurd game.

5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Racists are racists, just open your eyes. Muslim bans, the boogeyman at the mexican border cause brown people want to legally apply for assylum... these are just the obvious things he's done. Why try so hard to deny it? No one buys your schtick. 

So all Trump supporters are racists, that's funny because if that's the case then,

8% of blacks 

28% of latinos

27% asians

36% other (muslins etc)

are racists too for voting trump in the last election.

Get over yourselves already. 

 

28 minutes ago, pigseye said:

You label anyone a racist who doesn't agree with your view, guilt by association, that is a very thin argument but I wouldn't expect much more considering you're pretending to be a big C conservative. 

What utter nonsense.  And such a weak counter.  But honestly, I'd rather be accused of disagreeing with racists than embracing them.  Im exactly what I've always said I am and I dont feel embarrassed and have to pretend to be something else.  I've voted Conservative federally every election since Cretien's first.  What are you pretending to be?  (I think we know).

 

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Praising white supremacists/nazi's and blaming the protesters.  How he openly treats people of colour (for example reporters).  Declaring himself a "nationalist" when he knows exactly what that means.  How about how he initially refused to reject David Duke's endorsement (the grand wizard of the KKK).  Guy's a racist.  

Except he didn't praise them, he just refused to demonize them by saying both sides were to blame for the event escalating into violence. You're just connecting the dots the way you see fit.

Just now, pigseye said:

So all Trump supporters are racists, that's funny because if that's the case then,

8% of blacks 

28% of latinos

27% asians

36% other (muslins etc)

are racists too for voting trump in the last election.

Get over yourselves already. 

 

You're not even making sense now.  17to85's point was that Trump was a racist and you counter with stats on people who voted for him.  You do know the difference between Trump the person and Trump supporters, right?  I mean...you know how individuals as a concept work, right?

Just now, pigseye said:

Except he didn't praise them, he just refused to demonize them by saying both sides were to blame for the event escalating into violence. You're just connecting the dots the way you see fit.

Calling them "very fine people" is actually praise.  That's a positive statement.  For a guy who occasionally tries to pretend he's not a Trump supporter, you sure do defend him a lot and seem to be personally offended when he's criticized.

6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

You're not even making sense now.  17to85's point was that Trump was a racist and you counter with stats on people who voted for him.  You do know the difference between Trump the person and Trump supporters, right?  I mean...you know how individuals as a concept work, right?

FFS, do I have to draw you a picture?

Why would minorities vote for a racist, everyone knew before he was elected that he had the support of the alt right. Why would any minority vote for a racist?

Even you can see how ridiculous you're argument must be.....

38 minutes ago, pigseye said:

So all Trump supporters are racists, that's funny because if that's the case then,

8% of blacks 

28% of latinos

27% asians

36% other (muslins etc)

are racists too for voting trump in the last election.

Get over yourselves already. 

 

"I can't be racist, I have a black friend!"

no one said all, just his base, you know, the tea party folks who have taken over the republican party.

27 minutes ago, pigseye said:

FFS, do I have to draw you a picture?

Why would minorities vote for a racist, everyone knew before he was elected that he had the support of the alt right. Why would any minority vote for a racist?

Even you can see how ridiculous you're argument must be.....

Wow, you really dont get it.  As 17 said, you're using the "Im not racist, I have a black friend" argument.  You're so behind reality on this one.  Time to take off the blinders.

Sounds like the Manafort legal team has been in communication with the White House, very interesting if true and empowers the speculation of a pardon for Manafort.

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

The reason I don't come here more often to debate is because it always ends with name calling, not pointing the figure at you directly but why does it have to always deteriorate into name calling? 

I mean seriously... are you that obtuse or just trolling hard? I just can't tell anymore. 

 

Maybe if you looked at your posts you might find the answer to your question...

 

 

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

You label anyone a racist who doesn't agree with your view, guilt by association, that is a very thin argument but I wouldn't expect much more considering you're pretending to be a big C conservative. 

 

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

Right over your head, again.....

 

53 minutes ago, pigseye said:

So all Trump supporters are racists, that's funny because if that's the case then,

8% of blacks 

28% of latinos

27% asians

36% other (muslins etc)

are racists too for voting trump in the last election.

Get over yourselves already. 

 

 

52 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Except he didn't praise them, he just refused to demonize them by saying both sides were to blame for the event escalating into violence. You're just connecting the dots the way you see fit.

 

40 minutes ago, pigseye said:

FFS, do I have to draw you a picture?

Why would minorities vote for a racist, everyone knew before he was elected that he had the support of the alt right. Why would any minority vote for a racist?

Even you can see how ridiculous you're argument must be.....

 

 

You know, maybe if you weren't such an ******* about things, it wouldn't devolve into name calling. 

 

Raylan Givens, Justified- recently said it best:

"If you run into an ******* in the morning, you ran into an *******. If you run into assholes all day, you're the *******."

Edited November 28, 20187 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

43 minutes ago, pigseye said:

FFS, do I have to draw you a picture?

Why would minorities vote for a racist, everyone knew before he was elected that he had the support of the alt right. Why would any minority vote for a racist?

Even you can see how ridiculous you're argument must be.....

MAybe they are more of a misogynist than a racist?

Trump is not ruling out pardoning Manafort. 

Of course he's not. Trump and his campaign colluded with foreign governments to steal an election. It's all part of the plan. Setting things up for 2020. 

5 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

MAybe they are more of a misogynist than a racist?

Who not both!

Andrew Gillum's quote about Ron DeSantis equally applies to Trump:  "I'm not saying he's a racist, I'm just saying the racists believe he's a racist".

Central Park 5 is all you need to look at.

Trump is a racist and his actions and policies are racist.

Can't allow those who are trying to deflect and pretend change the facts. 

25 minutes ago, JCon said:

Trump is not ruling out pardoning Manafort. 

Of course he's not. Trump and his campaign colluded with foreign governments to steal an election. It's all part of the plan. Setting things up for 2020. 

Can you imagine if Trump loses or decides not to run again...his last day in office?  That list of pardons would probably be a whos who of political criminals.  

 

Trump is a racist but he's also xenophobic, and ignorant. But those three probably tend to go together .

If you can't see that, you're probably racist yourself.

 

Edited November 28, 20187 yr by Mark F

2 minutes ago, Mark F said:

 

Trump is a racist but he's also xenophobic, and ignorant. But those three probably tend to go together .

If you can't see that, you're probably racist yourself.

 

Kind of like people who see nothing wrong with the way Archie Bunker is... "Whaaaat, whaaat? I don't get it- what's wrong with that?"

6 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Kind of like people who see nothing wrong with the way Archie Bunker is... "Whaaaat, whaaat? I don't get it- what's wrong with that?"

exactly. 

Like the guy that posts here now and again, who posted that the stamps lockerroom went "Ghetto"

Edited November 28, 20187 yr by Mark F

2 minutes ago, Mark F said:

exactly. 

Like the guy that posts here now and again, who posted that the stamps lockerroom went "Ghetto"

Wait... Whaaaat, whaaat? I don't get it- what's wrong with that?

If you don't think Trump is racist, then what do you have to to say about his refusal to rent apartments to people of colour back in the 70s? What about his insistence that the group of black and brown men accused of raping and murdering that white women were guilty all these years later, even after they were exonerated by DNA? Anyone who claims he is not racist is lying or willfully blind.