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Arash Madani ‏@ArashMadani 13 hil y a 13 heuresVoir la traduction A guy in the #Ticats QB room a while back told me Brian Brohm once said: "I haven't gotten better since high school." You don't say... #CFL

Yeah, and? And? Ok i will try to make this easy for ya,its like leaving your goalie in when he has let in 10 goals and then stating we may need him next game? See? Let me make this easy for you. You leave the backup QB in to give him reps...to get more practice so that he's ready for the next game. You don't pull him and shatter what confidence he has to put in another backup QB. And what if the 3rd stringer sucks too? You going to pull him to put in yet another backup? Were you not around when Burke did that **** to this team and completely destroyed all the QB's we had with what little confidence they had? The Bombers should roll with Marve for as long as Willy is out because Brohm offers no upside and has not demonstrated an ability to throw nor run the ball. He is awful in every sense of the word. Hell, I'd prefer Dominique Davis over Brian Brohm at this point.

What the hell are you talking about? Where did I say that he has more talent than Collaros? I just said that he has innate talent. And that he was born to play in this league. Well then I guess we've been watching two different QB's. Marve can throw with deadly accuracy on the run. Brohm couldn't throw with any accuracy from the pocket. I want to see what Marve can do. I've seen enough of Brohm to know that he can't do anything. LOL...deadly accuracy. I think you're in dreamland there buddy. His completion percentage is 50% at best. At best? What? His completion percentage is 50% in the regular season, but it would likely have been higher had he played in more ordinary game situations. It's quite difficult to draw conclusions from his stats, considering more than half of his reps were in a snow storm. Marve has been quite successful throwing the ball in preseason FWIW. Brohm has not demonstrated an ability to throw nor run the ball.

You guys who insist to stand behind O'Shea's decisions and keep making excuses for Brohm's poor play are hilarious. There is not one thing that Brohm has done to merit the primary backup position.

I have a lot of respect for your football knowledge. That being said, I have been watching CFL football for 40 years or so. Brohm is awful. Marve has more innate talent then i've seen in any quarterback in the CFL since Tom Clements or Matt Dunigan. He was born to play in this league. If the Winnipeg coaches can't see that, it will cost them their jobs. That's insane hyperbole. You think Marve has more talent than a guy like Collaros? Marve has shown very little to get excited about as a quarterback at this point is his career, even going back to NCAA. He's always been a guy with tools but no toolbox to carry them in, and that's where I'd still put him based on what we saw in pre-season. If a QB can't stand and deliver at even a basic level of consistency, he has no chance to beat a pro defense or even a high level NCAA one. There's a difference between guys like Collaros who improvise at times but stay on time in terms of reads and progressions the majority of the time and a guy like Marve who takes one look downfield and panics, either scrambles or tosses a ball with his lower body in constant motion killing his accuracy regardless of how big his arm is. Marve is still very far away from being an effective CFL QB, the tools are there, I'll agree with that, but that's about 1/3 of what a good QB needs. I get that you're not a huge believer in Marve. I suppose that's fine but man.... There is not one thing about Brohm that is attractive. He is absolutely awful in every sense of the word. Again, what's the harm in giving Marve some reps and see what he can do? At least the guy has shown an ability to move the sticks in each of his appearances.

Brohm will never win us a game.... He's bad all around and has not shown an ability to throw nor run the ball. So what's the harm in seeing what Marve can do with more reps? At least he appears to have some potential.

He couldn't have looked any more lost than Brohm, that's for sure.

It's more of a very strong dislike for Brohm. He simply doesn't deserve to be on this roster.

Thank-you JBR for some sanity in this thread. I don't get the Brohm hate around here. Marve would have reacted differently to the blitz for sure. And it would have been very ugly. But our QBs - all of them - could use a co-ordinator like Tommy Condell who called a great game for Collaros and Co. Well, it's too bad you never got the chance to be proven right... You're correct, Marve probably would have had such a hard time beating Brohm's passer rating of 41.67.

The love that you have for Brohm is silly and unwarranted. Pretty much every one of his throws today were off the mark and weak. I mean... 146 yards on 28 attempts with 2 interceptions and 0 touchdowns is just indefensible. He was awful in every sense of the word, and has been every step of the way so far, save for half a game against Calgary last year. By the way, that was Marve's first "turnover" in all of his preseason + regular season reps so far, and it appeared to be a total fluke. Brohm has committed three interceptions, one fumble and another fumble wiped out by penalty in his limited regular season reps alone. The way I see it is... Brohm is awful and has zero upside, while Marve has potential, and should be given more reps otherwise we'll never know what we have in him.

Well this thread has restored my faith in Bombers fans. At least some people see what I see in Brohm... Complete and utter uselessness. It's an absolute joke that Marve wasn't given a chance today.

I would rather see Yantz on this team than Brohm...

...a big thing people are forgetting is that we always see him in garbage time, and even then, it's such a limited sample size. Nobody has any clue where this guy fits in the depth chart except the coaches who've gone over every single snap in practice and games... What do you consider garbage time? The only appearance of his that you could possibly consider being in "garbage time" would have been his last.. Well, maybe week 17 against Calgary last year, but even then, could you still consider it garbage time when he made it a 10-point deficit? Besides, if it's that easy to perform in garbage time, why did Brohm fail to do so against Edmonton last year? Cuz Edmonton D is very good. They would have ate Marve up too And Calgary's D isn't very good? I would bet against that happening as Marve has always found a way to be relatively effective.

...a big thing people are forgetting is that we always see him in garbage time, and even then, it's such a limited sample size. Nobody has any clue where this guy fits in the depth chart except the coaches who've gone over every single snap in practice and games... What do you consider garbage time? The only appearance of his that you could possibly consider being in "garbage time" would have been his last.. Well, maybe week 17 against Calgary last year, but even then, could you still consider it garbage time when he made it a 10-point deficit? Besides, if it's that easy to perform in garbage time, why did Brohm fail to do so against Edmonton last year?

Maybe, maybe not, but the point is that Marve has earned the opportunity to be the backup. He has effectively moved the offense in limited reps while Brohm has shown a lot more bad than good (in practice as well as in game action). How are we ever going to know what we have in Marve if we don't give him a decent amount of playing time?

Marve's style of play really shouldn't matter. The priority for this team should be to win, and Marve gives the team a much better chance at winning than Brohm.

Well that's very naive of you... I understand being optimistic that the coaching staff makes the right decisions, but that's not always how it works. There's absolutely nothing wrong with questioning the management's decisions, not one thing.

In the regular season he played in much more difficult situations, and no one can dispute that. The competition that Marve and Brohm faced in the preseason are probably about equal.

You're funny. After all that has just been written regarding Marve and the reason he is still #3, you proceed to follow the same line of reasoning. Makes me think you don't chew your food before swallowing either. Well excuse me for wanting the Bombers to win more than anything. The words of the coaching staff aren't flawless you know.... Unlike some of you, I realize that O'Shea and Bellefeuille have their biases too.

He needs to learn how to pass. It's just way too easy to defend him now. After a couple runs, Hamilton started using a delayed blitz, filling all the gaps up front and daring Marve to make a good throw from the pocket. That is what will happen if he doesn't progress, everyone knows what's coming. Watching Marve in the TO game (and I still am mad at TSN for not showing the Hamilton game) I just don't get the tag on him that he can't pass. Ken Ploen wasn't exactly the prettiest passer either. Marve made a beauty pass for a TD in the TO game to Tuinei. He's no Ricky Ray, I'll give you that, but he's also no Tim Tebow either. Or Justin Goltz. He gets the ball there a lot of the time. What I see now is that he just needs playing time to get the timing down. Then look out. He could tear up this league, Tom Clements style, if given a chance. Agreed. Through all of their preseason + regular season games so far, Marve has a better completion percentage than Brohm (56% vs. 54%), and that's despite Marve playing in much more demanding situations.

He needs to learn how to pass. It's just way too easy to defend him now. After a couple runs, Hamilton started using a delayed blitz, filling all the gaps up front and daring Marve to make a good throw from the pocket. That is what will happen if he doesn't progress, everyone knows what's coming. ... And Marve did make good throws from the pocket after that. In fact he showed more of an ability to throw the ball than Brohm did. Marve gives the Bombers a much better chance to win than Brohm. That's why he should be the primary backup.

Marve with another fairly solid game tonight. I'll be surprised if he isn't the primary backup to start the year.

Problem is unlike Willy and Brohm, Marve isn't naturally a pocket QB so he has a bigger learning curve to overcome to fit in to Marcel's scheme. I'm not sure it is in the best interest of the Bombers or Marve to try to convert him to this role as I prefer the flexibility he offers with his motion when the need arises to use him. Watching the beat down cement foot Sunseri took from the Esks. last night (5 sacks) indicates how vulnerable a pocket passer can be against certain D schemes. Brett Smith who played prior to Sunseri was able to scramble to avoid the rush, looked good and was not sacked even once. Even with an improved O-line whoever the Bombers play has to be able to evacuate the pocket in order to succeed against a team pinning it's ears back to kill the QB. They will not survive the game otherwise. Hopefully Willy can adapt as the Bombers play the Esks. in week five and it could get ugly. Doesn't matter what kind of QB is behind center when a OL is playing as bad as the guys Saskatchewan had in during most of the 3rd and 4th quarters last night. Plus Edmonton started blitzing like crazy with many experienced CFL players still on their D against guys on Sask who won't be in the CFL long. On several of those sacks Sunseri was scrambling. Leaving the pocket early actually makes it a lot easier for a blitz to affect a QB, as counter intuitive as that might seem. It's not an either or situation though. There's a reason why basically all of the great QB's in recent CFL history can throw effectively from the pocket and move effectively within the structure of the offense and at times when they need to. It's what beats defenses consistently regardless of how they scheme. Marve has a long way to go with his brain and arm to even be a serviceable QB. Marve has been a highly serviceable and effective QB so far, regardless of his style of play. Brohm has a longer way to go, plus he's older. So you'd feel comfortable going into this season with Marve as your starting QB if you were running a team based on what you've seen from him to this point? Versus say having a guy like Kevin Glenn or Drew Tate, guys I would call serviceable. Haven't seen enough of him to say that I'd feel comfortable with him as the starter, but I'd feel much more comfortable with him than Brohm.

Problem is unlike Willy and Brohm, Marve isn't naturally a pocket QB so he has a bigger learning curve to overcome to fit in to Marcel's scheme. I'm not sure it is in the best interest of the Bombers or Marve to try to convert him to this role as I prefer the flexibility he offers with his motion when the need arises to use him. Watching the beat down cement foot Sunseri took from the Esks. last night (5 sacks) indicates how vulnerable a pocket passer can be against certain D schemes. Brett Smith who played prior to Sunseri was able to scramble to avoid the rush, looked good and was not sacked even once. Even with an improved O-line whoever the Bombers play has to be able to evacuate the pocket in order to succeed against a team pinning it's ears back to kill the QB. They will not survive the game otherwise. Hopefully Willy can adapt as the Bombers play the Esks. in week five and it could get ugly. Doesn't matter what kind of QB is behind center when a OL is playing as bad as the guys Saskatchewan had in during most of the 3rd and 4th quarters last night. Plus Edmonton started blitzing like crazy with many experienced CFL players still on their D against guys on Sask who won't be in the CFL long. On several of those sacks Sunseri was scrambling. Leaving the pocket early actually makes it a lot easier for a blitz to affect a QB, as counter intuitive as that might seem. It's not an either or situation though. There's a reason why basically all of the great QB's in recent CFL history can throw effectively from the pocket and move effectively within the structure of the offense and at times when they need to. It's what beats defenses consistently regardless of how they scheme. Marve has a long way to go with his brain and arm to even be a serviceable QB. Marve has been a highly serviceable and effective QB so far, regardless of his style of play. Brohm has a longer way to go, plus he's older.

I highly doubt that another game's worth of reps would have hurt him in any way. If anything I believe it would have helped him grow. Hindsight doesn't mean anything. Having a pro rookie as your number 2 QB behind a guy in his first year as a starter would've been lunacy. You may be right and I may be ignorant.