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I highly doubt that another game's worth of reps would have hurt him in any way. If anything I believe it would have helped him grow.

I'm not sure that he has had the opportunity to be honest. Brohm has been the de facto backup since the very beginning, for no particular reason other than experience maybe. If everyone had a fair shot at the backup position last year, Marve absolutely would have won it out of the gate. Not only was Marve much better in practice at last year's TC, he was also a lot better in the preseason, and no one can dispute that. Brohm and Hall were pretty much neck-and-neck at last year's camp.

I'm not sure that he has had the opportunity to be honest. Brohm has been the de facto backup since the very beginning, for no particular reason other than experience maybe. If everyone had a fair shot at the backup position last year, Marve absolutely would have won it out of the gate.

Is the objective in football not to move the chains and score points? Marve has been able to do so on a consistent basis, and thus, has been the more effective QB. Through all preseason and regular season games so far, Brohm has a completion percentage of 55% to Marve's 51%... Does the 4% difference really mean that much when the former played in perfectly manageable situations and has no other dimensions to his game? I think not. Also, regarding practice reports (which is what we were talking about in the first place)... It's hard to tell who's being truthful lately (especially with all the bickering back and forth). Two days ago, gbill wouldn't stop raving about Brohm while neglecting to say a word about Marve. Meanwhile, another poster at TEP singled out Marve as the standout QB that day, while Twitter suggested that he was having a great day as well. The next day, gbill again stated how good Brohm is while another poster at TEP said that Marve was even better. The thing is we all have our biases and people see what they want to see sometimes. Marve 100% struggled today. And read my full report from yesterday (there's more that just the initial post), Brohm had his ups and downs, along with Marve and Portis. Willy is clearly the best and after that they all have their warts. But the more practice I see, the more clear it is that Brohm is the best of the rest. I don't doubt that... And btw, I enjoy your daily camp reports as I haven't been able to get out there this year. But the truth is, a lot of people see things differently than you do, including myself. I went to a few practices last year, and Marve looked a lot better than Brohm... He was more mobile, more accurate and more of a playmaker. I'm sure that some people would still rank Marve above Brohm, even based on the last three days of practice.

Is the objective in football not to move the chains and score points? Marve has been able to do so on a consistent basis, and thus, has been the more effective QB. Through all preseason and regular season games so far, Brohm has a completion percentage of 55% to Marve's 51%... Does the 4% difference really mean that much when the former played in perfectly manageable situations and has no other dimensions to his game? I think not. Also, regarding practice reports (which is what we were talking about in the first place)... It's hard to tell who's being truthful lately (especially with all the bickering back and forth). Two days ago, gbill wouldn't stop raving about Brohm while neglecting to say a word about Marve. Meanwhile, another poster at TEP singled out Marve as the standout QB that day, while Twitter suggested that he was having a great day as well. The next day, gbill again stated how good Brohm is while another poster at TEP said that Marve was even better. The thing is we all have our biases and people see what they want to see sometimes.

Marve has not really stepped up, according to reports, and I thought he would do better as camp rolled along. His saving grace is that the guy behind him is doing worse. You mean according to gbill's last two reports? Marve has been better than Brohm much more often than vice versa.

Who actually believes that Marve is better than Willy though (except that one poster at TEP)? I mean... I would like to see him get reps and I'd get excited at the opportunity to see him play but I don't think anyone expects him to be better than Willy. Marve still has much to prove.

Stream if anyone's interested: http://goatd.net/84721/watch-saskatchewan-roughriders-vs-edmonton-eskimos

Report from "Jockitch" at TEP: "due to previous medical issues was not able to attend ........ today was my 1st exposure Get my complaint out of the way; NO Roster list at the gate ....... told due to all the potential additions & moves ........ I cry ..... lazy, lazy, lazy Ground level very tough to get reads on action when groups break up & spread out, however........ Liked Marve a lot, Willy would have been sacked a few times ......... lot of fumbles by rec's during a span ....... guessing I saw at least 7 drops on perfect throws #15 Clemons had a good day, #23 Da'rel Scott is a force when he runs, early drop by Denmark but a bit later a beauty from Willy for a nice long TD. #27 Sherman & #47 Bas & #10 Hurl I thought, were quite involved, #29 Waggoner can sure keep a receiver out of the play, #55 Westerman has a motor, hard to pick up the trench work but, caught Bryant, Chungh & I thought Goosen doing well Couple of picks but alas cannot remember by whom. BTW; saw Addison Richards with no pads just doing hand drills & the jug. Moore & Kohlert were also spectators."

Imagine that, you're not a fan of an evaluation that basically tears apart your entire bias towards Marve. And this number you came up with? What is the point of that? It honestly means nothing. It means that Marve is effective at moving the offense. No. It doesn't. In your mind, maybe. In reality, not even close to what it means. It is a means of measuring effectiveness, absolutely. The more yardage a QB can muster, the better he stands a chance at winning the game. Look at the sample size. Your stats are meaningless and totally non-predictive. I'm all for breaking down stats and looking at them, I think it's fun, but trying to draw the broad conclusions that you are is just foolish. You're pointing at a comparison of 12 plays per QB and trying to tell everyone it means something. It doesn't. I agree, the sample size is too small to draw many conclusions from it. I'm just trying to say that Marve has earned the chance to be the primary backup.

because it doesn't fit your narrative of hyping up Marve above all others. You trot out the same stats every time but they are equally as limited as this evaluation here. Marve has been much more effective at moving the offense and scoring points as I've shown multiple times already. The yards-per-drive stat doesn't mean anything when evaluating the effectiveness of a QB. You are better off isolating the plays in which he was directly involved.

Imagine that, you're not a fan of an evaluation that basically tears apart your entire bias towards Marve. And this number you came up with? What is the point of that? It honestly means nothing. It means that Marve is effective at moving the offense. No. It doesn't. In your mind, maybe. In reality, not even close to what it means. It is a means of measuring effectiveness, absolutely. The more yardage a QB can muster, the better he stands a chance at winning the game.

First off, this is not an evaluation, merely a statistical breakdown of the offensive drives. I would advise against putting too much faith in any of these numbers. There are a lot of factors to consider, such as supporting cast, opposing defence, and playcalling. I definitely wouldn't evaluate the effectiveness of a QB based on my numbers or yours. I just thought it would be interesting to look at. Misleading numbers are misleading, that's all I'm saying. I hope you realize that yours are just as misleading, that's all I'm saying. It's not be-all-end-all stat, but it's certainly more telling than the numbers you pulled up.

Imagine that, you're not a fan of an evaluation that basically tears apart your entire bias towards Marve. And this number you came up with? What is the point of that? It honestly means nothing. It means that Marve is effective at moving the offense.

First off, this is not an evaluation, merely a statistical breakdown of the offensive drives. I would advise against putting too much faith in any of these numbers. There are a lot of factors to consider, such as supporting cast, opposing defence, and playcalling. I definitely wouldn't evaluate the effectiveness of a QB based on my numbers or yours. I just thought it would be interesting to look at. Misleading numbers are misleading, that's all I'm saying.

Marve has earned the chance to be the backup. If he falters in that role, so be it. Let Brohm take over. But at this point, Marve has been the much more effective QB. Btw, I love how every thread on this board is turning into a Marve discussion thread. For a supposed third-stringer, he sure is getting a lot of attention.

That's not true. Brohm has not been good at moving the sticks. He had one decent game last year in which he was no better than Marve at moving the sticks, but otherwise he's shown nothing.

I don't know about that. Brohm was awful in his first preseason game last year, okay in his second one, bad against Edmonton, pretty good against Calgary, average at best in his last game against Toronto. He has always been very inconsistent in practice as well.

Ehh... I'm not a fan of your evaluation because the QBs don't play much of a part in the effectiveness of the running back. I prefer to look at plays in which the QBs are involved (meaning yards-per-attempt amalgamated with yards-per-carry): Marve: 6.92 Brohm: 5.18 Portis: 5.3 Also, you can't ignore Marve's effectiveness in the red zone.

Is he? I didn't watch the game but people who were watching the stream said he was inconsistent. I trust the coaching staff whatever they do will be the right choice. Inconsistent maybe, but he was still more effective than anyone not named Willy. 6.9 yards per play in which he was involved and 14 points scored overall. No matter how you look at it, Marve has been able to move the offense and put points on the board on a consistent basis. It would be absolutely foolish to cut the guy. You remind me of Roadgriller and his fetish for Goltz. BTW I'm not saying Marve is anything like Goltz. Except Roadgriller had ZERO stats to back up his love for Goltz. Goltz had plenty of TDs. Those are stats. Plenty. IMO, Goltzdeserved a better chance at starting. Named one week, 3rd string the next. Yeah he was very good in short yardage situations but that's it. Again, I like Marve and I think he's better then Goltz, but he hasn't shown us squat. You talk about stats? These are his stats: 2014: 11-22 attempts, for 140 yards and 1 TD 2015 PRESEASON stats (again this is preseason where he's not even going up against the best of the Argo's): 4-9 attempts for 42 yards and 1TD If you put this years and last years stats together, he's below a 50% completion rating. Goltz's completion percentage was 50% as a third string for his first 2 years. After his third year it went up to 55%: 88-160 attempts for 961 yards So you tell me, where are these stats you speak of to back up your love for Marve? Marve hasn't done much of anything yet and some of you are practically proclaiming him the next starter already. It's like everyone says around here, the third string QB is always our best. Marve's stats from last year are extremely misleading (and I can elaborate on that if you want me to). It's rather pointless to draw conclusions from his completion percentage. In this last preseason game, he certainly could have been better but he was still more effective than Brohm and Portis, as he gained an average of 6.9 yards per play in which he was involved, while also putting 14 points on the board. The objective of football is to move the chains and score some points is it not? Well no matter how you look at it, Marve has been able to do those things effectively and on a consistent basis so far.

Is he? I didn't watch the game but people who were watching the stream said he was inconsistent. I trust the coaching staff whatever they do will be the right choice. Inconsistent maybe, but he was still more effective than anyone not named Willy. 6.9 yards per play in which he was involved and 14 points scored overall. No matter how you look at it, Marve has been able to move the offense and put points on the board on a consistent basis. It would be absolutely foolish to cut the guy. You remind me of Roadgriller and his fetish for Goltz. BTW I'm not saying Marve is anything like Goltz. Except Roadgriller had ZERO stats to back up his love for Goltz. Goltz had plenty of TDs. Those are stats. Plenty. IMO, Goltzdeserved a better chance at starting. Named one week, 3rd string the next. Yeah he was very good in short yardage situations but that's it.

Is he? I didn't watch the game but people who were watching the stream said he was inconsistent. I trust the coaching staff whatever they do will be the right choice. Inconsistent maybe, but he was still more effective than anyone not named Willy. 6.9 yards per play in which he was involved and 14 points scored overall. No matter how you look at it, Marve has been able to move the offense and put points on the board on a consistent basis. It would be absolutely foolish to cut the guy. You remind me of Roadgriller and his fetish for Goltz. BTW I'm not saying Marve is anything like Goltz. He might be inconsistent but he did some things and was more effective than the other back ups so let's not cut the guyyou have a very low bar for what you deem a fetish No, actually, I can see where Logan is going with that statement. Seems to me it's far too early to be gushing about a 3rd stringer at this point. Fact is Marve should be the backup. Is the objective in football not to move the chains and put points on the board? Marve has been able to do so effectively and on a consistent basis.

Is he? I didn't watch the game but people who were watching the stream said he was inconsistent. I trust the coaching staff whatever they do will be the right choice. Inconsistent maybe, but he was still more effective than anyone not named Willy. 6.9 yards per play in which he was involved and 14 points scored overall. No matter how you look at it, Marve has been able to move the offense and put points on the board on a consistent basis. It would be absolutely foolish to cut the guy. You remind me of Roadgriller and his fetish for Goltz. BTW I'm not saying Marve is anything like Goltz. Except Roadgriller had ZERO stats to back up his love for Goltz.

I'm thinking he'd better sign an extension with the Bombers pretty soon then. I'd say he's in real danger of being cut. HAH I would bet 10 million dollars on him not being cut. He's shown the most potential out of all three backup QBs and has stated that he'd like to remain in Winnipeg. It would be downright stupid to cut the guy.

Is he? I didn't watch the game but people who were watching the stream said he was inconsistent. I trust the coaching staff whatever they do will be the right choice. Inconsistent maybe, but he was still more effective than anyone not named Willy. 6.9 yards per play in which he was involved and 14 points scored overall. No matter how you look at it, Marve has been able to move the offense and put points on the board on a consistent basis. It would be absolutely foolish to cut the guy.