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Another way to look at it is this way, Neufeld actually played 7 games for us this year, more than a handful and Hall has played none in the CFL this year and might not ever play in the CFL again. 4th and 2nd? Big deal really... 2014 was a pretty weak draft year, didn't we pick 17th anyway after some trades so essentially we did get a 2nd rd pick this year, just had to trade a couple thirds to get it, but reality is... the guy they would have taken at 11th is probably the guy we got at 17th anyways. So really... sounds like we got the guy we wanted anyway, that was Briggs, you can talk about DL and guys like that but the bombers wanted briggs and would have taken him at 11th more than likely if we still had that pick.. just so happens we took him at 17th. Think some of you are over estimating the talent in the 2014 draft, we traded 2 3rds to get the 17th, Walters probably only does that if 1. the guy he wants is still there and 2. It's not a strong draft class.

Nice stadium.. It's sad tho that i just logged on and the top 2 topics is one about Durant and the other about this stadium. That makes me sad as a bomber fan to come to the site i enjoy most for bomber news and discussion only to find the top 2 topics are both about the Riders.

Honestly, could care less who posts here or not, doesn't bother me at all, i actually kind of like the fact that some rider fans have come here and talked football. It does get annoying tho reading through some of the delusional statements but whatever really, Honestly, if a rider fan wants to believe durant will be back this season, what's the harm in letting him believe that. I don't see any need to call people names or anything like that...but i don't see the problem in some of the humor used in this thread.. Guess some people have thin skin? It must be.. 8 9 pages about the Riders QB... guess that old saying don't feed the trolls is true cuz that's all this topic has become, folks feeding the troll and now its 9 pages long.. Yeah yeah, "BUT I'M NOT A TROLL"... but in a way going on and on and on about this topic on a bomber fan forum is kind of trolling. Not exactly the definition but it's definitely an example of a form of trolling.

Problem with trading Enstrom is stuart becomes the number 1 LH d man. That's a problem.

Ah so our rookie starting QB isn't 4 of the best to play the game. Better sit him then. People probably need to remember he is a first year starter and comparing him to legends isn't fair. Same ppl tho saying the same stuff.

I really think Howell is a likely choice. I really do, do i hope it's howell? I don't know exactly how i feel about that but... he's an up and comer.

What this thread tells me... is rider fans are delusional.

Not as much as you like to think you do. Records speak for themselves? what was Reillys record last year?

He was retired because nobody wanted to pick him up. Riders got desperate. It's true. Honestly, don't care but fact is he was retired and the riders got desperate and convinced him to play again. It truly is the definition of a desperate team. Lets just say Joseph did play well, he did ok at least.. put up Durant like numbers really..... team still lost? why? cuz maybe your offense isn't the problem, maybe your defense has gone to crap the last several weeks, can say Joseph played well, hell could say Durant could come back and play well, but if your D don't step up, It's over for the riders. THe d HAS been awful the last several weeks, not even an ok to decent performance by Joseph made a difference.

Nope, not the answer... but neither is Slater Big difference here. Slater is a 4th line center, Jokinen is not. Jokinen wouldn't want to play 4th line minutes. It's just how it is. In Nashville i believe he is the 2nd line center even. He was never offered a contract here and rightfully so but no way he would have accepted 4th line minutes. Not a chance. Can believe he would have all you like but reality is, he's 2nd line center in Nashville getting 15-20 minutes a game, here? he'd get 7 or 8 minutes a game. Not worth it to pay him that much to be a 4th line center. Plus he really wasn't very good at winning face-offs and that's actually one of the things slater does pretty well. Didn't realize you and Oli were so close... I think offering Jokinen 3rd-4th line minutes and a transition to player-coach would have been a very attractive deal. Honestly, that first line could be used on you too. Jokinen wouldn't be playing third line here tho, he's not better than Little Scheif or Perreault.. He's just not. He'd be 4th line. Seriously, In Nashville he is playing 2nd line minutes and getting paid more than he would have here playing 3rd lol but more than likely 4th line minutes. He wouldn't have signed here. Plus reality, Jokinen wasn't very good here. He was actually a bust.

Wonder how many of the people knocking Willy were doing the same to Reilly last season? All of them??

On the cusp eh? so that to me means he should be back in a week or 2, he won't be tho. Durant if he comes back early, man oh man, it's gonna be ugly cuz he's gonna be hurt again. I wouldn't rush him back if i was the Riders but i'm not and i get the sense that they will rush him back and he will be hurt again and possibly hurt so badly that he misses a part of next season too. Riders aren't a very good team tho, they really aren't. Your qb goes down, ok i get your offence starting to struggle but the D too? They have been awful, where has john chick been, that poll about the MOP in the west on the CFL site is a joke, where has chick been the last several weeks? invisible. Like i said, i get if your qb goes down your offence is going to struggle, i get that but it's no excuse for your defense to suck as bad as the riders D have the last several weeks. Riders are done and lucky they got their wins early in the year, if not they would probably be last place in the west. If one guy goes down and your entire team goes to crap, you aren't that good and i don't see that one guy returning making a huge difference.

the reality is if people want roads to be fixed, you need to pay for them and the way to pay for them is through tax money. If you don't want to pay taxes to fix things, things will never be fixed.

Nope, not the answer... but neither is Slater Big difference here. Slater is a 4th line center, Jokinen is not. Jokinen wouldn't want to play 4th line minutes. It's just how it is. In Nashville i believe he is the 2nd line center even. He was never offered a contract here and rightfully so but no way he would have accepted 4th line minutes. Not a chance. Can believe he would have all you like but reality is, he's 2nd line center in Nashville getting 15-20 minutes a game, here? he'd get 7 or 8 minutes a game. Not worth it to pay him that much to be a 4th line center. Plus he really wasn't very good at winning face-offs and that's actually one of the things slater does pretty well.

Interesting tidbit about Grigsby, just heard on TSN. Take it for what it's worth but this is Grigsbys 6th team in the last 4 years.

Steeves is irrelevant and just a huge joke, the fact that he has no platform at all, what is his platform exactly? Does anybody know cuz it seems to me his platform is, NO to everything. No to Growth, no to progress, Steeves i don't think was ever a realistic option. He is irrelevant. He just doesn't get it. Never has and never will. The nice thing about this, steeves will be gone in a couple days never to be heard from again. He has truly killed his political career.

optimistic as anyone but... it's highly unlikely both us and bc make it to the playoffs right now.

It's gonna be close. That's for sure. But i truly do feel Bowman will pull it off. Honestly, i don't talk to lots of people, but the people i do talk too and they range anywhere from 18 to even 65 or older (uncles aunts, co workers etc) , They all can't stand judy and the funny thing about it is, most these people are very pro NDP but anti Judy. That's why i mentioned all the NDP councilor signs and the Bowman signs in the same yard. It's interesting, never seen that before round these parts.. Ton upon tons of NDP councilor signs but in the same yards, Bowman for mayor signs. It's shocking to see actually. Turns out people may end up voting for the best person and not the party, i hope they do. Like i said, Voted bowman and voted the NDP councilor. Why? because i actually agree with both of them, fresh new ideas instead of the same old. I'm starting to truly believe that most people are seeing it this way too. Just cuz you vote for the NDP councilor, don't mean you need to vote for Judy. Honestly, in these elections, i wish more people would actually vote for the person they actually agree with and not the party they represent. What party they represent to me is irrelevant, i could honestly care less and it seems like lots of people are thinking the same right now. Hey you know what, i can agree with bowman and i can also agree with the NDP councilor, i can vote for both. Judy is so out of touch, nothing against older people, but a 65 year old should not be mayor. It's just not cool. I don't care that JUdy represents the NDP, i don't care that Bowman is sort of conservative, it's irrelevant, I voted for the people i agreed with more. Gonna say this, if this was a provincial election, i think i would have voted NDP or Independent because as much as i really don't like Sellinger,Pallister is every bit of a goof as sellinger is, if not more. Honestly, the way i look at it, if these people weren't affiliated with a party, who would i vote for... I think most people should think that way. Just cuz you vote for the NDP, don't mean you should vote for Judy, you need to vote for the person you feel is best for the city of winnipeg. I hope people see it that way. Vote for the person you feel is best for the city. Don't vote for the party they represent, vote for the person they are.

and ofcourse because he played for the argos for a while, was hyped out the butt. So gotta take that in to account too. Not one of the best but definitely not one of the worst. Maybe middle of the pack?

Always something isn't there. The way he runs? who cares, he's productive or was this last game against a very good Calgary team coming off a bye week. One thing i will say, Cotton seems to get more yards than Grigsby, sure he was stuffed a few times but for the most part, he had some pretty good first down production, i think we were 2nd and short, or 2nd and 5 or so more this game then any other game this season.. He did have a couple big runs too but... basically grigsby would get 1 or 2 yards maybe 3, and then have one or 2 big runs, Cotton seems to be more consistent or like i said, at least was this last game. The main difference tho, i think Cotton hit the holes the oline opened up for him, Grigsby didn't. That's the difference there. Cotton = North South. Grigsby = East West all the time. Always tried to do it on his own it seemed, Cotton used his team mates better, and by team mates i mean the oline. Oline probably loves a guy like Cotton who sees the hole and hits it, probably could get very frustrating with a guy like Grigsby back there, opening up holes, cuz the oline did open up holes for Grigsby but he just wouldn't see it or try to do it all on his own, Cotton seems to have.. hmm, i suppose this work, Cotton has better vision, by that i mean, he's more patient and allows the hole to open up, if it's not there, he just goes forward not sideways.

Allen eh? From my recollection, not a good passer, a terrible passer actually but had the ability to run, i'm not sure a guy like Allen has that long of a career if he was around now a days.

Makes sense to me, Gotta start DREW when the game still matters. Expect to see Marve tho in the last game of the year.

Brayden Schenn is a center, something we don't need. The reason that trade hasn't happened is because it's not realistic and because it's been reported by Eklund, who is not the most reliable rumor guy out there. Schenn? Pass... Voracek? Read? a 1st? maybe but Schenn? no need for him.

Heenan is a ratio changing tackle, One bad game doesn't mean he isn't. Every player on the oline struggles at times, even the best of them. I'm not saying Heenan is the best tackle in the league, he's not but he has the potential to be one of the best. The guys in his what? second year in the league? 3rd maybe. Don't think the ESKS dline gets enough credit, for gods sake Eddie steele, has 10 career sacks, 6 this year.. That Edmonton DL is the heart and soul of their team and probably, nah not probably, they are no doubt the best DL in the league.

Bogo shows a lot of heart too, he sticks up for his team mates out there, gotta like seeing that. Ladd? seems frustrated, seems distracted too tho. Wheeler? Give him the C Give Scheif an A I'd give BOGO and A too.. Seems silly to talk about trading bogo and toby, who is our first pair D then? Trouba and Stuart? You can't trade BOGO, he's too young and shows way too much heart out there. Ladd tho,Buff, Toby.. They aren't in that under 24 group, can't trade all the over 24 year olds but... Those 3 would be a good start, it would shake up the group, let them know they are being held accountable. Do have to admit tho, when THorburn is on your 3rd line, yeah you got some issues. Honestly tho, The Jets have given up 15 goals, legit right in the middle of the pack, The D isn't so much the issue right now, the lack of scoring is. What can Ladd get you in a trade? it would have to be significant, same with BUFF and same with Toby for that matter.. I'm fine with moving those 3, but... you better get something huge in return, if you move Toby, you need to get a LHD in return, can't have stuart playing on the first pair, Trouba has struggled so far but has shown some flashes so i wouldn't trade BOGo. Fact is tho, its 5 games in and there is still time to turn things around, if we are like this nearing christmas time, then yeah i'd consider moving several guys... not the under 24 or 25 guys and not wheeler or little but the rest, definitely. Untouchables in my opinion Forwards Scheif,Kane,Wheeler,Little,Perreault,Lowry D Bogo,Trouba The rest? If it keeps going like the way it has been, they all can go but some of them need to get you some significant pieces plus a first round pick in 2015. I only trade Buff Toby and Ladd if i get something significant in return and that includes a 1st rd pick in 2015.