Fatty Liver
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26 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Even if they both light it up this year and help us win the GC? (I know that's the perfect outcome).
Lawler's contract will expire at the end of this season, he was scheduled to make $310k but restructured down to $285k which included a $150k signing bonus, Eugene Lewis is also on an expiring contract paying him $320k this season. The market will determine the price point next season, most teams have shown they are not willing to spend $250k on a single receiver under the current Cap.
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19 minutes ago, MOBomberFan said:
Ford is also coming North and will hopefully factor in right away, and we have an extra 2nd round pick in our back pocket... things are going well for sure
Ford is still not listed on the roster for some reason, although Holm was never removed, did Walters mention anything about him in his press conference?
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1 hour ago, wbbfan said:
That’s true. Though if you go back to his decline in Hamilton he was many years on the back slide when he came here. What was it 0 team wins in like 11 starts?
League min is the right price imo. If he makes a team it should be a good deal. If he doesn’t step back to where he was I’d cut him and go with a rookie. That said, I don’t think even at a min I’d go with him here. I’d rather offer that to lucky, and work on developing new Dynamic guys that can bring a speed/deep threat that we lack now.That was 2017 when Zach was butting heads with June Jones, who preferred Masoli, by 2018 he'd moved onto the Riders.
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4 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
With Zach throwing him the ball, maybe Weineke comes back strong. I wouldn't write the guy off just yet. I think in our passing system, he could do well.
Nah, I'd rather they break in a new receiver* on an ELC instead of inserting a one year plug.
*Ontaria Wilson
*Ontaria Wilson
*Ontaria Wilson
Schoen signed a one year deal and might actually ask for more next season, Walters could have to decide between keeping him or Lawler.
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10 minutes ago, Mark H. said:
One reason might be - we fielded the best secondary that I can remember - in that GC - everyone was healthy. I was at the game where Hammy beat us soundly that year - Brandon Alexander was standing on the sidelines.
It could be that if they used max protect and consequently fewer receivers in the GC, perhaps our cover guys would have had them mostly blanketed. With Hecht (one example) at safety back in Sept., it was a whole other story.
Was that based on a ratio adjustment or was Alexander coming back from injury? Kongbo started 2019 on the 6-game IR and once he came back I think it allowed them to replace Hecht with an Import, it was a huge turning point for Hall when he was allowed to go all Import LB's and secondary.
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16 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
His first down year came in an Als uni. He was a deep/red zone threat that teams seem to have figured out....? I don't know. But he has been able to reproduce.
Wieneke is not that fast, so don't think he was ever much of a deep threat, maybe his skill was finding the open spots.
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2 hours ago, Mike said:
No but I feel like doing it with a few vets like Hardrick and Sceviour who are winners … could be worse decisions to make.
I still don’t see it though, they’re missing that A+ part to pull it all together. Lots of B and B- but who’s the franchise player?
I see Mace brought Edwin Harrison his O-line coach from the Argos with him to Sask., semed to put a pretty decent O-line together in T.O. in the years he was there, maybe he can help pull things together in Regina.
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9 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
I don't think Richmond showed a whole lot tbh. People were hopeful for continuity sake and because he went to a school most fans of football recognize. The willingness to sit and wait for YEARS by American players is always kind of a bad sign for talent and ability. Not many guys who sit and wait like that who turn out to be anything. Guys who can play, want to play whether that's somewhere else up here, in spring leagues, even arena leagues.
Get a bit of that continuity with Lofton and working in this offense. He's gained more game experience and reps as a starter which is huuuge for OL in this era of minimal contact practice.
Bond would be the last rookie OL they really played from the start. You'd need a guy that jumps off the page like that. He played guard though. Chungh started right away at guard too.
Desjarlais was 6th guy and jumped in at guard with next injury after that which forced Speller to C in year Neufeld missed most of.
No doubt it's been done with interior lineman often enough, but nobody has come up with the name of a rookie OT starter yet. I suspect it's happened on a team that is out of the playoffs and preparing for the next season, maybe the Elks or RedBlacks?
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31 minutes ago, Stickem said:
Bailey 'could' return BUT I think we'll only re-sign him at a bargain basement price....He deserves to be paid .....Could we squeeze him in ???would be tough...Now if Zack would shave a bit of his contract like Kelly in T.O. did, we might get it done......should/could we expect it.....probably not....Kind of leaves Bailey hanging in the breeze..I feel for the guy especially knowing how much he loves his team mates and the City.....tough call...very tough
The veteran players that put their foot in Walters door and negotiated contracts early know how the game is played, the advantage of being proactive demonstrated once again.
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7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Honestly I think if a rookie shows well he will start. This team has no qualms playing a rookie if they show they are a talent. Think of guys like schoen or Alford. Guys who show talent get a chance.
Let's re-play the "name a rookie starting at OT?" game, keeping in mind Zach's health rides on his performance.
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1 minute ago, Noeller said:
I feel the exact same way about Gray... curious he hasn't signed and holding out a sliver of hope. But retirement might be the likely outcome, unfortunately...
In the 3DN article referenced here a few days ago, it said Gray was the most expensive of the interior O-linemen, kinda hard to believe he was paid higher than Neufeld, but who knows. He has a M. Eng. so could have forced Walters on his previous contract to match his potential earnings in that field, or he wasn't playing football anymore. He could get a job anywhere, the determining factor whether he retires from football might be salary or his attachment to Wpg.
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33 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
It's a safety net move. Therefore, yea....pretty meh. However, I don't mind him coming in and competing.
Based on experience I would pencil Lofton in as the starting RT game #1, they already know his ability and his personality probably fits in well with the team. Rookie O-linemen have to go through Marty Costello school first, if one progresses well, he may get a mid-late season look and take over from Lofton, but probably looking at 2025 for anyone else to establish themselves as the next RT.
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8 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
I don’t even hope we raid. I hope we target one guy and bring in one key fa.
Idk any other team that doesn’t and relies entirely on internal development and rookie scouting.
I love Bailey. Imo though he’s a max 125k range guy. And that might need to be with incentives. If any one wanted to give him a crazy deal he should’ve taken it. That’s not sustainable for him. I don’t think he will see 130k offer from any one this year. And Tim white is only hurting his value.
Don't really believe that offer myself, he's a gritty receiver but probably not the clean route runner most teams would be looking for at #1 or #2 receiver spot.
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On 2024-02-15 at 9:38 AM, Colin Unger said:
I was able to find verification of it. It wasn’t reflected in the bombers depth charts. Scroll down to the segment called hog shuffle.
Thanks, you were right, found the game.
Dobson often looks lost in space and rarely gets up field to help with the run blocking like Gray does consistently. Ceresna plants him in Zach's lap twice and blows by him cleanly one other time, being nervous starting his first game is a valid excuse, but I think from a physical standpoint he will remain the 6th man unless Eli is worse. He may be cheaper than Gray, but can't say I see him being a better O-lineman.
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4 hours ago, GCn20 said:
He also completely derailed the Rider franchise by taking ZC out. ZC was finally healthy and who knows what he might have done in Regina that year. However, at the end of the day good riddance to a guy the league should have gotten rid of a long time ago.
That was 2019, Fajardo led the Riders to a 13-5 record and lost on the last play of the West Finals to a Collaros lead Bomber team. That was a miracle season for both teams, the wheels started to fall off for the Riders the next off-season.
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4 minutes ago, Booch said:
I am confident who we find for that spot will work out, and if a reclaim project that once here....will be well above average.
History with this regime/coaching staff has shown we make O-line guys productive...Hardrick had a foot out the door of the league until we brought him in...Chungh was good here....has been a bust in B.C...Kolo was discarded and unwanted, and tho not a world beater was part of Best oline in CFL.....Bond was a machine here....did squat elsewhere....even Speller....undrafted...unwanted....picked up off scrap heap....Anchored our line at center for a Cup win...we loose Goosen unexpectedly to retirement...we have Couture step in and be stellar
We will make it work I am sure...plus our recent draft success with olineman has shown we see the guys who project to be legit....Would be funny if Loften came in here for 85k...Anchored the right side of the best line again while Hardrick shows more decline and that line flounders with his 235k price tag...I can actually see that occurring to be honest
I think Sask. will show marked improvement this season, looks like Mace will stem the flow and get them back on the right track, might not be great this year but they should compete for 3rd place if Harris can remain healthy. Hard to determine who will be the weak sisters this season, the majority of teams look to have improved their overall roster, exceptions being the Bombers, Argos, Stamps and maybe the Lions.
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13 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:
I think you might be confusing Lofton with Jamar McGloster
Lofton was with Ottawa in 2017, then BC, Edm, here, then Sask.
Displaced Landon Rice and is now the starting RT for the Als. I think the Bombers might have held onto him if they could have convinced him to sit on the PR for multiple year.
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1 minute ago, GCJenks said:
Yes, Lofton started for us in place of Big Stan in the last game in 2022 and we didn't see enough to have him here in 2023 over Richmond. If Sask didn't want him for LT in 2024 why would we want him here to try out for RT. I sure hope we signed him for league minimum.
He actually subbed in for Hardrick an entire game and did not allow a bust, can't recall who the opponent was, maybe Cgy. late season game.
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30 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
Eric Lofton actually was a bright spot on the Riders OL last year. It was their interior OL that was god awful. I'm not suggesting he's some great player, but he isn't as bad as some around here are making him out to be. The Riders got truly awful OT play from Council, Kelly and others but when Lofton took over at LT he wasn't half bad. Having another look at him isn't the worst idea.
I think too much has been read into this signing. We lost Richmond who was our insurance policy for both OT spots. We need to fill his spot as well. Lofton would be a very good option for that.
Don't think Lofton was necessarily a bright spot, but during the second half of the season he played well enough at LT that he was a consistent starter on a hodge-podge Rider O-line that changed personnel almost on a weekly basis. He might not be a star, but he is an experienced competent player that has the ability to play both Tackle positions and remain healthy.
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37 minutes ago, Booch said:
have to agree...he couldnt unseat Hardrick and Bryant here...who in the league could have...then he went to MTL and wasnt half bad....then 2 crap olines in Ott and Sask
I tend to trust our judgement on oline guys based on what we have seen the last 6..7 yrs...He will be on a line with all quality guys, quality coaching and winning environment....maybe this is his finally getting it moment...and I sure he comes in cheap to boot
Who are you talking about? Lofton played for Ott., BC, Edm. Wpg. Sask. and now back to Wpg.
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4 hours ago, Mike said:
Because a contract is a mutual agreement and Bailey likely won’t get a huge raise but he’s going to get a raise somewhere. He took an $80,000 pay cut last year. He deserves to go out and make his money somewhere. We can’t force him to sign here.
That can't be right, it would mean Bailey was being paid $160k or more at one time, I don't think he's ever earned near that much. It seems he's been perpetually stuck at the bottom of the pay scale his entire career.
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1 hour ago, wbbfan said:
I mean maybe there is some confusion but that’s just not right. Habba had 4 sacks while jeffcoat was out last year playing in his place and wj was playing better before jj came back.
2023 jj missed weeks 1-3 and 5. In weeks 1 and 5 wj had 4 sacks. In weeks 1-3 haba had 1 sack in each game. His 4th came in week 15, which jj missed.
That’s 7 sacks with out jj in 4 games for our ends.I dunno, take it up with DT, pretty sure that's what he said.
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Bailey says goodbye.