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And on that bobble the play should have been no yards. Had he fumbled it away I’m confident O’Shea would have challenged it (and won again). If there was a valid criticism, it was that he was giving too much room for a booming punt. On the first one he was 50 yards from the first down marker but it was 3rd and long, so he was over yards from punter. When the punt was muffed he had to run too far up and it then bounced by him. The punter did not really hit a clean one but Grant was consistently too far back worried one was going over his head, and having to run up to a lower wobbly punt caused him problems. That is correctable and Grant has shown enough past success that I trust he will address and fix that issue.

Very last play of the game, on Holm’s interception return. Was wondering if they were going to fine Demski for going into the fans area after he climbed the stairs to give the ball to the indigenous fans after his 2nd TD. Guess that’s less egregious than eating nachos or sitting on a sectional.

I’d say no (based more on who else is out there rather than them being not so bad), but they are the most well-known disliked pair.

RESPECT!

FIFY. The rest TLDR but I got the gist of it. 0% credit, 100% blame. Again. 2016 - 27.6 ppg, 363.7 ypg 2017 - 30.8 ppg, 361.4 ypg 2018 - 30.6 ppg, 369.4 ypg 2019 - 28.2 ppg, 349.0 ypg 2021 - 25.8 ppg, 346.1 ypg 2022 - 28.9 ppg, 360.7 ypg And yeah, Buck is slaying it, deserves a lot of credit for his part in it. Must have also had a good teacher. And a healthy QB. Probably did. And the guy who chugged early probably got too drunk to lift the Cup and passed out too early. The methodical guy made it to the end of the evening and was able to walk out the door with the Cup in his hands at the end of the night.

End of discussion.

Very aware of what Hull meant to hockey here and agree with his impact overall, but his (alleged) wife-beating and Nazi comments make a statue a non-starter.

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Putting aside Durant’s ‘09 season, and Matt Nichols career in Winnipeg, I’ll just ask you how are the injuries to the Bomber playmakers in 2002 and 2003 the fault of the OC?

Does Khari’s best season ever under him count? Or Darian Durant’s development into a starter? Buck Pierce when healthy had possibly his best season ever under LaPo. Matt Nichols had his best success under LaPolice’s offence. As for Streveler, I would argue in part his “regression” as a thrower was in part due to teams getting tape on him and figuring out how to defend him (don’t let him run and force him to beat you with his arm). He had the same offence that Nichols and Collaros had but with poorer results, more INTs, and a losing record. LaPo was able to tweak his game around his option play running scheme, and it garnered him an NFL look. Where he continues to struggle as a pure passer in his first few years (see Bomber Esiason’s scathing commentary in game after a bad Streveler pick). I get the perception since other than Durant he has not taken a raw rookie and made him a solid starter. And he isn’t the QB guru like the Stamps coaches. But words like “no one” and “terrible” is the kind of exaggeration that leads to push back from the “apologists”. But don’t equate that defence with “he is blameless” because he isn’t. He is a micromanager which killed him as a head coach, because he couldn’t decide if he wanted to manage the game or draw up the offence, and he was incapable of doing both effectively. He is not head coach material, no debate there.

As long as we can agree that nothing was as gimmicky as Mike Kelly’s Jet formation or as arrogant as his call In show comments then everything else is Kool and the Gang.

Straddling the line between optimistic and delusional.

@Noeller I was legitimately asking what you disagreed about in my post or felt was off-base and wanted to comment on, but if you just want to throw stones at me we can move on from it and not derail the discussion, or you can PM me if you want to get something personal off your chest without the mods having to step in.

Wondering out loud, how many of the Ten Commandments has the anointed one broken? And how many of the seven deadly sins is he guilty of?

Feel free to elaborate on your eye roll, Noeller.

We could go back and forth for hours on this and never agree, so I will try to answer your question this way. I believe that his apologists do not believe he is blameless, and can acknowledge his flaws. But they see the opposite extreme in his critics, that he is the ONLY one to blame, and any success is never credited to him but outside factors. So they offer excuses (or examples) where they see that his detractors have exaggerated his mistakes and ignored his contributions, and it comes off as “you can’t see how lousy he is and make excuses for him” to those detractors. Just like the excuses for any success he had being totally not his doing (he had nothing to do with Milt or Khari’s success in 2002, Streveler succeeded and got an NFL shot in spite of what LaPo did to stagnate him, rather than how he changed the offence to suit Streveler’s strengths) creates push back. For whatever reason, he is a more polarizing figure than most. Some get very offended it seems if he is referred to as an “offensive guru” and use it as a derisive term when the reality is that he has had more success than not (statistically and in team wins and losses as a co-ordinator) with his schemes but is not re-inventing the wheel, others get equally offended when he is called “the most overrated” or “loser” when he has won more than he has lost as a co-ordinator, but has a poor head coaching record, and has been better in an established program than building it up from the bottom himself. Each side criticizing or praising in moderation could give a fair picture of what he brings and lacks as a coach, but the fight goes past him and to the stances of the posters themselves, so it becomes personal and the reactions to countering opinions becomes more defiant and immovable. Fair?

I remember being more sore about the holdout he pulled with two weeks to go in the regular season, upset that he had to share the workload with Blount and Mills. Got suspended by the team for the game in Toronto which they lost, ending their 12 game win streak. Team lost the following week against Calgary and never really got its mojo back in the playoffs. Also recall that Rick Worman got away from the spread-the-ball-around offence to give Roberts more touches to placate him after the walk out, and the offensive rhythm got out of synch. I stand to be corrected in the details as I can’t find any stories on Google to corroborate, but that is how my hazy memory recalls it.

Unless you say the name “Stegall” and perhaps “Cameron” I would likely not be surprised.

I’ll apply the leeches now and await the angry pitchfork mob for the stoning. Dammit, should have gone with the old reliable “I was hacked” argument to avoid this corporal punishment.

Simple answer #1 - can sell more tickets to the pre-season game that follows and make more money than wait for the already sold-out home opener. Simple answer #2 - no one.

Quite possibly. Did not intentionally make this up, but I was mistaken on the identity. I was wrong, and concede the point.