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The only true “must” is Collaros. Of all the positions we need to fill, his loss at QB would cripple us.

This is a brilliant articulation. Thank you. There are studies in psychology that show even intelligent, educated people can be swayed by groupthink and whose ego won’t allow them to question the majority they are around. And we are dealing with a gigantic number of uneducated people out there who are all too easily influenced by others to satisfy their confirmation bias. Consistent messaging and better education would be a big help, and not giving oxygen to those “mavens” as you correctly label them would be a blessing. Great discussion all. Thanks for all the insights.

Let me try to clarify a bit. I have highlighted what I took issue with. Before I go down this rabbit hole, let me clearly state: 1. I am VERY pro-vaccination and it drives me crazy to see the continued resistance in some quarters. 2. I am strongly in favour of restrictions to privileges for those who, for other than medical reasons, opt not to take the vaccine. Suspend travel, bar entry to establishments, border crossings, etc., deny first access to medical treatment since you have done nothing to assist in the process and are putting others at risk. My point was that we are not talking about completely emotion-based decisions on one side and completely logic-based decisions on the other side. I believe it is more accurately presented as information vs. misinformation I am aware of the science I follow, and I believe it to be sound (it is the same science you tout, BTW). But you describe anti-vaxxers as using emotion and not logic, but now say logic can be flawed. THAT is my point - in their minds they are using logic, not emotion, and the pro-vaxxers are being emotionally driven by fear in rushing to get the vaccine. It is merely an issue of labelling. And I feel that is is being driven more so by misinformation as the underpinning to these decisions. To them, it is not a hunch, it is based on their form of logic, which is misguided by misinformation. To just shrug them off as using emotion instead of flawed thinking will not fix the problem. Firstly, not ALL of it. People are ultimately responsible for themselves, of course. But I will say that a sizeable portion of the blame can be pointed at those who peddle in misinformation from a position of influence, and we should not downplay the role they have in this, and the role they could play in correcting this misinformation for the public good. Secondly, you reference the misinformation out there from phone scientists and the former President, and say people are idiots who believe what they want to. Absolutely, you are actually agreeing with me. But that belief not emotion-based, but based on this kind of misinformation, and is being spread by influencers who are using the reach of the media, who are not shutting it down but throw it up on their screens. Not so much a defence of them as an indictment of those who spread the misinformation. And my concern is that just dismissing anti-vaxxers as too emotional to be reasoned with leads down the path of “we need to just enforce rules since some won’t think for themselves and are putting others at risk, so screw their feelings”. There is a part of me that does nor mind that approach for the sake of saving humanity, but how far can that approach go, and at what point does the majority make a decision that I think is wrong but is the popular one (remember the debate about the possibility of “herd immunity” and avoiding an economy-crippling shutdown at all costs in the days before the vaccine was available?). Do we just wash our hands of those who disagree, or do we push for better education and more responsible information dissemination from this who have the power to do so? Or are too many people beyond hope of changing their thinking?

To defend the anti-vax crowd for a minute (and this is the only minute l will spend on them) they could make the same argument against the vaccine crowd. “You are being ruled by emotional fear, so you are jumping to take an unproven vaccine that you don’t know the risks of. My logical research tells me there is no way a vaccine could be developed that quickly with no known risk”. The problem is the “logical” information everyone has access to, and the confirmation bias at play for both sides. Whatever logic is being applied has the emotional underpinning of “wanting to believe that logic”. I want to believe that vaccines will protect me, so I buy the reported science behind its safety and effectiveness, and point to the cases of anti-vaxxers dying or ending up in the ICU as validation of my side. They will point to vaxxers still catching COVID or having side effects as proof the vaccines are not working. Both sides can say that their science is sound and the opposite side is living in fantasy world, and there is enough noise out there on both sides to back up the basic position unless one digs past the chatter and gets some honest infallible research behind it, which can too easily get buried in the crush of “information” I put the blame a lot on the changing media landscape which has replaced hard news with opinion and entertainment for the sake of ratings over objective truth, not caring what their “spin” is and how it warps critical thinking so long as it gets them eyeballs and screen clicks. I have very little time for much of the media and the monsters they have created but take no accountability for under the guise of “journalistic freedom”. I will freely admit to having a massive bias based on personal experience.

Since Kane wanted to declare bankruptcy rather than pay his debts off with his $49M contract, he is probably happy that the rest of his contract has been voided so he can claim no means to pay things off.

Open question for the group, just looking for opinions: If people don’t want to enforce vaccinations but are OK with denying access to things or places as a privilege withheld, then how would people feel about denying access to healthcare or the ICU for those who refuse to take steps (I.e. getting vaccinated) to keep themselves and others as healthy as possible, keeping in mind that health care is a right and not a privilege? I am seriously on the fence here, as I don’t like the infringement of rights but also hate the thought of others being denied care because of the overcrowding of ICUs and it puts others at risk for their cancelled procedures.

So even though interference, not a dirty hit by PLD, yet he has to engage in a fight due to the “code”. Wish the NHL would call instigator penalties more when a clean hit results in a challenge fight.

Beaulieu in for DeMelo firmly establishes Heinola as #8 in the defensive depth chart. Guess it wasn’t all on Maurice.

If in “extreme pain”, then why exit in this fashion? Unfortunately for Brown, his history of petulant behaviour and lying in the past (fake vaccine card) works against his credibility here.

Apparently you forget one thing…….how to finish a sentence. 🤣

We should trade for Vejmelka if for no other reason than we won’t have to face him in net any more. 2 games, 2 goals on 93 shots. .978 save %.

Shechnikov-Toninato-Vesaleinen have looked good for 4th line work tonight. Copp-Lowry-Reichel not so much.

Nah, I don’t take anything you say seriously. 😁

???? Any pictures?

Shechnikov breaks the ice. First Jets’ goal on 55 shots against Vejmelka this year.

Kevin Sawyer and Sara Orlesky in COVID protocol.

Sadly, Trump is not the real problem. He is the “useful idiot” who the Republican establishment only needs as the rallying figurehead for the brainwashed masses who vote for “him”. Like Cheney running things when Bush 2 was the puppet President, there will be a smarter, more corrupt puppet master behind the scenes who will call the shots and more quietly destroy democracy. If they can compete with Putin and his attempt to take down the USA through chaos.

I totally agree with that assessment. Some figure that in a league of nine teams, you can tear down and re-build more quickly, and will take that flash in the pan approach. But I am enjoying the sustained success of the Walters approach much more for sure (it helps to stomach that mindset when the long drought is over and we have more patience as fans).

That’s where I was going. Would certainly be a great rebuttal to #1990.

The unintentional hilarity of the Simpsons clip is that their defence is getting torched by Springfield, so the defence quits en masse mid-game to go try their luck in the CFL with the Blue Bombers - as if there were in any holes in our defence last year they would be a replacement for. One of the greatest defensive units in CFL history.

Not a bad track record for a horrible GM though. As AGM and GM in Winnipeg got us to two Grey Cups in 2001 and 2007, arguably two we should have won (if “fumble machine” Roberts doesn’t drop the Kevin Glenn handoff), as GM in Sask 2 more Grey Cups and one win in 2010 and 2013. And although rare, one does not need to be a former player to be a success in management.

Useless stat of the day: Bombers are in rare air with their current possession of the Grey Cup. Due to the pandemic and the repeat, they will be in possession of the Cup for 1093 consecutive days by the time the next Grey Cup is held in Sask. That ties them for the 5th longest streak in CFL history going back to 1909. Only 7 teams in total have ever held the Cup for more than 1,000 consecutive days. 1. Hamilton Tigers - 1842 days between 1915-20 (1 Cup, held possession through World War I and league dispute in 1919) 2. Edmonton Eskimos - 1827 days between 1978-83 (5 Cups) 3T. Queens University - 1100 days between 1922-25 (3 Cups) 3T. Edmonton Eskimos - 1100 days between 1954-57 (3 Cups) 5T. University of Toronto - 1093 days between 1909-12 (3 Cups) 5T. Winnipeg Blue Bombers - 1093 days days between 2019-22 (active streak, 2 Cups) 7. Toronto Argonauts - 1092 days between 1945-48 (3 Cups) FYI the Saskatchewan Roughriders have had the Cup in their possession for 1454 days total in their entire existence. They also have the longest gap in possessing the Cup at 20529 days between their inception in 1910 and their first Cup in 1966. The second longest drought was 11322 days for the Toronto Argonauts between 1952-83. The Bombers recent streak from 1990-2019 covered 10591 days.

Given the profits that one championship generated for the Province and the team, it was arguably worth it to take the setback for a few years. https://www.google.com/amp/s/leaderpost.com/sports/roughriders/football/roughriders-crack-43-million-in-gross-revenues-for-2013-14/wcm/6a0209aa-a10b-448b-b7ac-2e252c0a5150/amp/ As for the earlier salary cap, it was in place but teams flagrantly ignored it. Taman was on Bob Irving’s coach’s show and I called in and asked why he didn’t violate the cap, given the almost non-existent penalties for going over. He responded “believe me, I wish I could. Lyle won’t let me”. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/sports/salary-cap-bypassed-or-ignored-by-cfl/article25425105/

Bold statement considering Murphy has never even been a GM.