blueandgoldguy

Toronto has had quite a few changes since last season, not the least of which is the loss of Ray for the entire season.  A Ray-lead team would have 6 wins at this point.

I have to disagree with you. Remember the Riders also beat Calgary - something we have not accomplish in a very long time. So get over it. The Riders have the best defense in the CFL (or at least 2nd best) and their offense does enough to win. So whether you agree whether or not they are a good team they are at the moment a better team then Winnipeg - and that is a fact!

What are the odds of us becoming hot at the right time? 

Philly booed their offence after the first half of week one after coming off a super bowl win.

Sports isn't about a good environment or players liking you or about protecting your players. It's about winning games, playoffs and championships.
O'Shea became our HC in 2014. He's below .500 in wins and hasn't even won a playoff game yet.
Rick Campbell and Chris Jones also became HC's in 2014. Both have won Grey Cups. Jones took an equally bad Riders team to the one the O'Shea inherited to the playoffs and won a playoff game in his 2nd year.
Jason Maas and Dave Dickenson became HC's in 2016. Both have winning records and have won playoff games. 
Campbell, Jones, Maas and Dickenson's teams are all ahead of us in the standings this year.
Not making the playoffs, or not winning a playoff game should be a firing offence this year.

MOS has proven one thing in 5 years. He's slow to change. Slow to adapt. Loyalty usurps performance. That's why we struggle. That's why he needs to be replaced. He won't change. So time to go.

Needs another year? Why does he need another year? We know all about Mike O'Shea & how he coaches. What is going to be different next season as compared to this one? Why is it we just throw entire seasons away giving coaches who fail more & more chances to fail all over again? Very frustrating. 

Philosophically I agree that consistency in an organization is a better way to go. Organizations that constantly change regimes typically flounder. But, I also think you have to earn that right with success. If the San Antonio Spurs have a losing record this year, Pop and Buford have earned some time to fix it because they’ve succeeded big time in the past. A sub 500 record and no playoff wins in 5 seasons (which in CFL years is like 10), earns you nothing. And I think it only buys Walters one more after O’Shea with a new coach

Nah, regardless of what happens these next few games ( barring INCREDIBLE incompetence- not the itchy triggerfinger of impatient fans) I think Osh needs another year and see who he brings in to replace Hall and possibly Lapo. 
Osh has earned a tonne of goodwill and should get a chance to fix it with new coaches. 

If things don't get turned around by season's end then O'Shea has to go. He has 6 games to do it. 

I don't think a coach in the history of the CFL has lasted more then 4 seasons without at least one playoff victory.  We are in year 5 of the O'Shea regime.  If the Bombers make the playoffs, and lose in the first round, he should be fired regardless of how well the Bombers play.  The organization will have showed more patience than any other CFl franchise under similar circumstances.

I don't think a coach in the history of the CFL has lasted more then 4 seasons without at least one playoff victory.  We are in year 5 of the O'Shea regime.  If the Bombers make the playoffs, and lose in the first round, he should be fired regardless of how well the Bombers play.  The organization will have showed more patience than any other CFl franchise under similar circumstances.

More than just a few fickle fans. A lot of disgruntled fans, I daresay. 

After thinking about it some more, you can't blame that game on anyone but Nichols. As awful as Lapo's game plan was, you had a QB throw essentially 5 awful interceptions, two in the red zone that amount to a 20 point swing at a minimum, possibly even 28.
Nichols singlehandedly lost that game.

The D has 11 imports + DI's to make Hall look better than he really is.
We use almost all our NI's on offence, which makes PLAP look worse than he really is. We're still leading the league in points for. 
 

I don't think a coach in the history of the CFL has lasted more then 4 seasons without at least one playoff victory.  We are in year 5 of the O'Shea regime.  If the Bombers make the playoffs, and lose in the first round, he should be fired regardless of how well the Bombers play.  The organization will have showed more patience than any other CFl franchise under similar circumstances.

Lapp deserves some of the credit.

The 2002 team was one of the best all-time offenses in CFL history.  Hardly an indictment of Lapo.  I will wait and see what they have planned a few weeks from now. 
 
People here are being myopic and are not nearly assigning enough blame to Nichols and his declining/lack of skills.  Lapo probably played a significant role in his success considering how poorly he played in Edmonton prior to be traded to Winnipeg.  Without Lapo's play-calling Nichols may have very well never have had those two good seasons in 2016 and 2017.  

Not crazy about some of the stuff that Lapo does - especially some of these gimmick 2nd plays in the red zone.   That said - no offense is going to work, when the triggerman is/was as awful as Nichols, today.....

So Lapo is at fault for the receivers dropping balls?

Just pointing out the absurdity of the host of the post-game show in defending Nichols.  Even if he had attempted to present a legitimate defense of Nichols - which last year's playoff game against Edmonton was not - this is a what have you done for me lately business.  Nichols has been average to poor for nearly a year at this point.  It has been mediocre play, not a blip, by this point in time.  Nichols should not be given the benefit of the doubt based on how he played in 2016 and the first half of 2017.

So, Nichols turtling is because we stopped using Harris? The Riders stopped the run. We had to go away from running the ball. the result was a dazed & confused Nichols doing his best to look like a scared rookie out there.

As sure as the sky is blue, Nichols single handedly lost that game for us today. No one can say otherwise & be taken seriously. 

I can't see an OC getting fired with one-third of the season left.  They will stick it out with him.  Plus who would replace him?

I feel sorry for Andrew Harris. Guy gives 110% and leaves it all on the field. Totally warrior and really basically our offense.