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I agree that we ripen prospects on the vine way too much, however, when they do get their turn very few have seized it. It's easy to criticize our lack of transition from old to young, because that is indeed what is happening, the problem I have is no one has stepped in when opportunity presents itself through injuries. We grouse about player A or player B being past their prime or just not good enough and then the next guy up comes on and shits the bed. The first part is poor coaching but the second part is poor GMing. I mean you listed two examples of guys we moved on from (Garbutt/Fox) who both sucked when they played. The fact that they are better than who replaced them on the roster speaks volumes about the job our recruiters and GM are doing. How in blue blazes does anyone expect MOS to get rid of vets when we consistently recruit crap on our DL.

Almost definitely. He was a scrap heap pickup prior to the injury, it is hard to imagine anyone giving him a serious look next year.

You keep saying that...name one IMPACT player that left here for any other reason than we wouldn't pay them, they went to the NFL, or our geography wasn't to their liking. Sure there are some guys that exited off the fringes of our roster for more playing time and not a single one of those guys would make an impact for us whether they stayed or not, We've lost an all star team of talent to $$$$$ and that lands squarely on KW's shoulders. I'm quite happy with the job they've done. 2 Grey Cups, and 5 straight trips to the big game. I am, however, not impressed with the job either man is currently doing.

We've seen the difference a Person or the ilk make to our overall competitiveness.....ZERO. You guys can keep lambasting the coach over roster moves of little consequence, and you are right they don't help, but our BIGGEST problem this year is that over the last few years we have lost an all star team worth of players through Walters mismanagement. Simple as that.

Yep, hard to blame the HC for a lack of depth, poor recruitment, and poor retention. Lots of ppl yapping on here about how great the next guy up is....until he plays and then it's pretty easy to figure out that the old vet in front of him may be washed up but is still our better option. Talent has disappeared out the door. That's a GM problem. I think Walters time might be up. His drafting has been awful as well. Our coaching problems are not who is on the field, that's a GM job, our coaching problem is in our game planning, adjustments in game, preparation, and motivation. All 4 get a big fat F grade the last two games. All of Walters, scouts, and coaching staff seem to have gotten a little too comfortable with the status quo. A shake up is needed if we don't show marked improvement. I would personally recommend that we fire Walters, but if the decision is to get rid of MOS so be it.

Bridges was awful both games as well. He could be 6'9 and he still would have been torched because he likes to stop and look back far too early. Not easy at all when we have absolutely nothing behind him.

Not good. The score says it all. Person and Vanterpool weren't the only ones who sucked tho.

My takeaway is that Bridges should be given an apple and a road map. Our OL and DL were useless, and Strev is not a very good QB Also our coordinators are not coordinating anything

Yes

I'm willing to give him a chance, but I am not particularly optimistic.

We absolutely need to bring some guys in at receiver. Our receiving corps is sub par.

At the end of the day the GM is the guy who offers the contracts. The fact that Jake Thomas or other long in the tooth guys are still here is 100% on Walters. I could give a crap if MOS wants these guys, sometimes as GM you gotta save a coach from himself. I look at his body of work over the past 3 years and I see a big fat F grade for Walters. Our depth is suspect, our OL and DL are average at best, and our NAT content is deteriorated compared to when we were the envy of the league. That's on the GM. I'm not trying to give MOS an out with these comments either, he needs to be better.

I don't mind a GM letting a succession plan play out. Dobson out for Wallace is probably going to pay off over the short term. However, we are letting guys that were game changers like Grant and Lawler go without any real clear replacements. Grant, in particular, was extremely baffling because he was waiting for our call.

I don't necessarily think he is wrong about Schoen, I'm not ready to write him off yet, but Lawler was a guy they needed to bring back. They let him go once and found out, I'm not quite clear why they repeated the mistake. As for FA mistakes, yep, very poor. Walters in general going back a couple years now is not exactly making too many good calls in hindsight is he? We are letting guys walk that should be staying, we are keeping guys that should be walking, and he's been getting a bit of a free ride from the fans. Our roster composition is HIS job not O'Shea's. Sure Osh makes it even worse with some decisions, but we have seen a considerable drop off in elite talent over the past couple years and more. In one offseason we let 3 all stars walk out the door and 2 of them were NATs. That's not particularly great GMing. Granted other teams blew their brains out to get them, but Walters should have known that was bound to happen if he let them hit the market. Now, of course, the elite of the league will always get raided but you got to have an ace up your sleeve when these things happen. Walters had let a plethora of talent go in the past few years without much of a replacement plan.

Never said you were a liar, I said you are making some big assumptions. I have no problem with us re-signing Schoen to the money we gave him, but I really think we erred letting Kenny walk. Should have trimmed somewhere else and given him his money to stay.