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I think you can find RBs too easily in the states to worry about making it a NI position. Would rather go heavy on NI receivers than RB.

Not picking sides here but it's this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Just saying. Not at all, I am very open minded, it just so happens that I have considered everything already and drawn the only acceptable conclusion.

And this is why you get so worked about about things, with that statement there you demonstrate that logic has no place, what you believe is the only truth. That's dangerous thinking buddy, makes you very closed minded. Defending is a reaction, you can't react without the initial acting. You want me to stop defending then stop attacking. The power is in your hands.

I don't know that it's worth it. RB can be such a weapon I don't think the team is in such a position where they can go with "he'll do" at the position. Better off using a good import rb and throwing the scraps at some other position.

He's got a work out some time this week. If that doesn't result in an offer then the Laurent sweepstakes begin. I saw one article valuing him at $150K. I hope if that's true that the Bombers at least show some interest and put in a contract offer. He'd be a big piece on the DL. He won't be a replacement for Doug Brown (no one really could be) but he'd give us some roster flexibility. Ted Laurent signing with the Bombers would make instant fans of Walters by all and sundry here. Now, if only Christo Bilikudi returns to the fold...actually, he was never in the fold. I said to Noeller a while back that if Bilikudi or Mulumba wanted to go and get themselves cut from the NFL that'd be a huge boon to the Bombers.

I'll stop hating the minute you stop defending.... Ain't gonna happen, right? You're the only guy I know who wished Mack was back or didn't get a chance to get things done after 3 1/2 seasons. You're like Goebbels with the propaganda. Defending comes after the initial hating. Stop with the hyperbole and I won't have to defend anything right?

There's Iso thinking clever pictures are a substitute for well looking at thing objectively. Hate on man, hate on. As soon as you stop with the irrational hatred I'll stop telling you that you gotta cut that out. We get it, the teams record was terrible, doesn't mean everything the guy did was wrong.

Iso just doesn't like it when anything other than "Mack was the devil" is posted. Fair and balanced opinions? get em out of here the guy was worse than Hitler.

but the team was lacking everywhere.... You know what the truly worthwhile parts of the team were when Mack took over? Doug Brown and Brendan Labatte. One guy retired and one guy wanted to go home. There were holes everywhere.

I don't agree with that though, this team needed NIs at every position they were in no position to be picking and choosing positions to draft. Where I would say Mack made mistakes are obviously hiring coaches and that he seemed to prefer to have backups who would play special teams as opposed to special teamers who would be the backups if that makes sense.

I love how people discredit every good selection made by Mack. There were tons of people that wanted guys like Sisco and Scott Mitchell picked over Watson and Henoc. The problem is those were the only two good selections. well I don't believe that's correct but whatever. I suspect if you looked at macks draft record it would be on par with other gms in the league. I feel Mack's biggest flaw was inhuman patience. He was acting as if he had 10 years to build a competitive team. Too many projects, too many guys who had to return to school, etc. The most damning fact of Mack's reign was Chris Kowalczuk staying here as long as he did. Here's a guy who's 29 years old who hasn't progressed beyond being the 7th(?) O lineman in his time here and yet he's still on the team. Eventually you have to cut these guys loose and get some new blood in there. I just don't think the NI or drafting was something that is a valid criticism. He liked his athletes that's for sure, the problem was they never developed which to me is a coaching problem and that was Macks biggest flaw. Didn't hire the coaches who could develop his projects for him.

I love how people discredit every good selection made by Mack. There were tons of people that wanted guys like Sisco and Scott Mitchell picked over Watson and Henoc. The problem is those were the only two good selections. well I don't believe that's correct but whatever.

years of neglect mostly.

I have a feeling you're wrong. You know a safety is a DB, right? Yeah I am well aware of that. You're more likely to see 4 NIs on the OL than 2 at db.

2002 I still think was the year they should have won it, but man you lose Stegall before the playoffs, Roberts gets hurt on the first play of the game in the west final, I think Doug Brown was playing with a high ankle sprain too... just too many of the stars hurt at the worst time. And the crazy thing was, had Chad Plummer not dropped that deep pass on the final drive we probably kick a field goal to force overtime. Quite the accomplishment considering the score at the half. Yeah after the way that game started and the guys that were missing to get that game within 3 was an accomplishment. 2001 they obviously should have won but 2002 to me hurts more just because I think it was a much more dangerous team and really the last legitimately top teir team they really had. The offense could seemingly score at will, the defense was still solid. Haven't seen a team with balance like that since I don't think.

2002 I still think was the year they should have won it, but man you lose Stegall before the playoffs, Roberts gets hurt on the first play of the game in the west final, I think Doug Brown was playing with a high ankle sprain too... just too many of the stars hurt at the worst time.

I have a feeling you're wrong.

Is he? We simply don't have enough of a background on him to say whether he is or isn't. He was well hidden by the egomaniac Mack. I've read numerous comments about Walters wanting to pick someone but being overridden by Mack (Poblah, Ettienne). Walters had a place in the BB org and Mack made sure Walters knew where it was. yes yes everyone talks about the Mulumba vs. Edem thing, but what about Muamba vs. MItchell? Bottom line is we don't know just how good Walters is because there's no track record. We don't know which picks the Bombers made were ones he wanted or ones that Mack wanted. Until such time as he shows one way or the other it is very premature to label Walters as a guru. For all we know he's a guy who talks a good game. Gotta prove it before you get labelled a guru.

Is he? We simply don't have enough of a background on him to say whether he is or isn't.

If Nate had a personal post limit of say 5 per day yeah he'd be quite missed.

but for the last 2 years we've also had horrible coaching.... There are 2 things that make all the difference in the CFL, coaching and quarterbacking. You can get by with an OK qb if you have good coaching but if you don't have good coaching even a good qb will struggle to do much, example Ricky Ray in Edmonton. Good coaches get the most out of their players and make average players look good and good players look great.

this again? Good coaches make players better, all I saw with Burke as head coach was players regressing.

But this is the first time he's trying to do it with out one of the all time best coaches running his teams. Coaching is such a big part of winning and losing in the CFL and perhaps Wally the coach was the guy who carried Wally the GM? Just things that are worth watching.

Yeah when he was done for the year after so few games and Ian Wild stepped in and played so well made it really easy to forget that he looked pretty good in his couple games too.

Potential is a polite way of saying a player sucks right now.