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Person wasn't on the roster to start when based on play when he did get in should have been. Same deal with Allen... so is Walters not bringing in good players or is osh not putting them on the roster? Here we go again.

you're still not making sense, explain how people have lost touch with reality because osh isn't getting fired.... I mean everything is just hunky dory with the roster? no issues at all?

honestly at this point you probably give him some receivers and the time and space will follow since a defence would have to respect the passing options.

Morgan hit a couple deep shots but was mostly crap on the night....

Cause Brady Oliveira is a freaking beast tonight....

So then what the hell is your point? Everyone knows osh ain't getting fired but it's a big issue for the team so it gets brought up... that's how message boards work...

Collaros using his legs is big. He needs to do that more since he's got no receivers and always under pressure... and thank God for Brady Oliveira.

No he is not.... so that means we just stop talking about the team? Win or lose tonight Hogan isn't going anywhere so no one comment on the offensive game plan or playcalling. Win or lose collaros isn't going anywhere so nobody talk about his play either. You see how dumb that sounds?

He was talking about Trevor Harris and TWIG one time and I just laughed. Classic Lapo. Take what is given...

The D in 2011 was amazing. But it was still a Lapo team. He coaches teams to be good enough to just barely lose. Defense dragged the to the initial record but that was unsustainable. Without them scoring lapo just did not have the instincts to play to win rather than play not to lose.

You do have the luxury of doing both! You can absolutely dress backups who can play special teams but are primarily on the roster for their defensive or offensive ability. Ayers last offseason was kept because he was the best special teams player but there were other linebackers showed better at linebacker in preseason. We dress linebackers at DE for special teams reasons rather than an actual DE who can take reps on D and help that position. We have 0 for depth at receiver because they'd rather linebackers or dbs for special teams. No one builds a roster like oshea does.

Bighill would still be starting if he didn't get hurt, we failed to have guys in place to groom. I know you like to say it's all on walters but I don't buy it because we've seen this team have an ability to replace players with rookies in the past. The problems are that we don't use the roster for depth, it's used for special teams players or situational players (like a 7th OL).

He was also pretty short lived as head coach... but yeah Tim Burke had some truly lifeless performances.

Osh coaches like he would have wanted to be coached, and I have this big suspicion that osh wouldn't have appreciated a coach playing a young guy ahead of him. So if you're being an osh type player you're bullet proof. Osh never retired, that says it all. He's got blinders when it comes to long in the tooth veterans who made up the core of the teams best years. Guys like Wally Buono erred on the side of replacing guys too soon as opposed to too late. Osh is the opposite.

Yeah Jim Daley was a real low point which is why despite O'Shea's flaws I've still got time for him because he won't get down to that level.

Defensive line, linebacker was only done due to signifcant injury to Bighill last year, offensive line... and it's not that development time was wasted on specific people, it was a lack of future planning in those areas.

Yeah Maas had stupid completions in a row twice! Sad thing is Marcus Howell was probably one of the better dbs dressed in those days.

Part of maintaining a good roster is knowing when to turn over certain roles, and this team is bad at it. They did too little too late and wasted a couple development years clinging to rapidly aging stars while not having appropriate backups seasoning behind them.

Then why did we draft those two guys if we can't play them in place of career special teams players? We're not going to win or lose games this year based on a handful of snaps for Gauthier vs. Rookies, but it might help rookies develop for the future which could help the teams ratio and overall talent level.

So i wonder if our stats nerd radio play by play dude can answer... has Gauthier taken any defensive snaps this year? Cadwallader? Because if they have that's egregious. Those dudes are teamers for life and any snap they get should be going to potential future starters.

So I think with guys like our rookie lb draftees... is that we are also using a bunch of American linebackers as special teams depth and the first in line backups. It's just too many linebackers and if we drafted these guys with a mind to having them become starters then what purpose does blocking them with Americans do? They should be the primary backups.

I dunno, they exhausted every option before they even gave Mitchell a chance despite him being a quick grab when he became available.

They started the season with 3 American OL... And again we go round and round... does the depth suck because of the GM or does the depth suck because of the way the coach uses the roster and practise roster? We have a brazzillion linebackers and dbs every game just to chase punts... why? We have 0 for receiver depth on an already weak group... why?

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What if he whiffs on blocks! What if the pocket collapses with him in there, what if the back gets stuffed! Of course how would we tell the difference because that **** is already happening. Guaranteed though that if Eli was in at centre he would be able to now and then move a ***** out of the way and help a play happen. Best we hope for with kolankowski is that he doesn't get flat out embarrassed. And if it is worse then we stop wasting time on 2 players who shouldn't be there. What I actually think it is, because they so regularly use 6 OL Eli isn't seen as a real option at centee because he's good as the extra OL whereas Kolankowski is useless at everything except snapping the ball.