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Assuming my 2 line post makes me the guy from BC who is one of the most upset: What the Bombers do matters to me. I wouldn't be here if it didn't. No one here works O'Shea, but that doesn't mean no one here is entitled to an opinion about his decisions. Coaches do more than just run practices. Some of the biggest fans live outside of Winnipeg. Our opinions are as valid as anyone elses. I'm a big Wylie fan. I understand the theory that some Wylie is better than no Wylie. I think this reduces his effectiveness. I can't think of any other professional coach who gets weekends off during the season. I doubt any exist because it's just not a good idea. I want the guy who's making the final decisions to be there all the time so they see everything first hand. I don't think having a Wylie 'protege' running things is the same a having the man himself doing it. I think having fully committed coaches is better than having partly committed ones. I think the Bombers should have dealt with this issue in the press when they hired Wylie, not waited until the fans/media noticed he wasn't there. I find it funny that folks who are most upset and argue are the ones who think that no one should question anything the Bombers do.

I don't like the idea of Wylie being away, especially during during training camp when they are installing the systems and evaluating the players. I don't like O'Shea's quote either. I thought he wanted folks who are fully committed to making the Bombers better. Being away during camp and again during the season isn't being fully committed IMHO.

Damn. I was hoping we'd get Lauent.

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I know this was meant as a joke, but surely you know that the issue isn't the "free" part. First, the service provided was essentially a shuttle service (Park and Ride), with direct routes to the stadium that aren't provided by the city's regular bus routes. Eliminating this service means people have to take a regular city bus, which from some locations is damn near impossible, and from others is extremely impractical. A system where the fans are asked to pony up the difference between what the Bombers are willing to pay and what the city is asking would be great, if it weren't for the fact that the city said a "pay" shuttle is not possible (for reasons that escape me now). It was meant as a joke... It's sorta 'funny' cuz it's true Everyone agrees that a bus service of some sort is needed. The Bombers don't want to pay for it. The city doesn't want to pay for it. The fans don't want to pay for it. Everyone seems to think it's someone else's responsibility. Bus service in the cities I've lived in (Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver, Merida) are similar. Good on some routes, bad on others, and damn near impossible on the rest. Sure, you can take the train in Calgary and Vancouver, but most people have to get to it first, which makes it the same as taking a bus to a second bus to get to the stadium. Some bars in the Canadian cities offer shuttle services to the stadium for a fee. I shake my head and sometimes do a face palm when I see how entitled folks in Winnipeg think they are. you cant honestly believe your bs of winnipegers entitlement, we want decent and more organized transit, thats not entitlement thats a tax payers right, about time our "elected officials" start serving the public instead of there own get re-elected bs. The bombers and the city had a deal and the city completely blind sided the bombers. I think miller wouldnt back down and im glad he wouldnt. Were not entitled were pissed off Talking about BS! You're 'entitled' to free rides to and from sporting events because you pay taxes. Give your head a shake. You don't really believe that do you? You're pissed off because you might have to pay to get to and from games like almost every other CFL fan does (I understand that Edmonton and Ottawa have free rides). The Bombers asked the city to pick up the tab and the transit folks agreed. The City council, who had to actually come up with the money to pay for it, didn't agree. Millar knew all along that it might be voted down and he said so a month or two ago. Now it's time for plan B, which will be announced on Monday.

Just to get this thing signed.... Beer for everyone else. Rum and Coke for me. What kind of beer? I know nothing about beer, so your choice.

Just to get this thing signed.... Beer for everyone else. Rum and Coke for me.

I counter with 5.2M cap this year going up by $75K per year and forget about re-opening up the 'Tied to Revenue' talk in a couple of years. The TSN money isn't going up each year and other costs do go up each year, so the teams are going to have to raise additional revenue on their own to pay for the yearly increases. Rookies don't vote, so min salary raised to 50K with yearly 5% increases. 1K signing bonus per rookie and 6K for the vets cuz they vote. Any competent trainer can do the concussion tests and neurologist's cost money, so counter with a team doctor at every game. I'm not into beer so Rum and Cokes all round. *walks out* and that's why we have labour disputes.

I counter with 5.2M cap this year going up by $75K per year and forget about re-opening up the 'Tied to Revenue' talk in a couple of years. The TSN money isn't going up each year and other costs do go up each year, so the teams are going to have to raise additional revenue on their own to pay for the yearly increases. Rookies don't vote, so min salary raised to 50K with yearly 5% increases. 1K signing bonus per rookie and 6K for the vets cuz they vote. Any competent trainer can do the concussion tests and neurologist's cost money, so counter with a team doctor at every game. I'm not into beer so Rum and Cokes all round.

I'm expecting the league to counter eventually. The players still want too much IMHO. 15K signing bonuses? Really? I guess the guys with contracts finally realized that they don't get anything except a signing bonus this year.

Day 1 doesn't tell us much, but IT'S FOOTBALL TIME AGAIN! I'll take any info folks who are lucky enough to go out to the practice can give me. I don't care if you're a wanna be GM or a Fan Boy or anything in between. Just post your views and let me live vicariously through your eyes. Thanks.

I know this was meant as a joke, but surely you know that the issue isn't the "free" part. First, the service provided was essentially a shuttle service (Park and Ride), with direct routes to the stadium that aren't provided by the city's regular bus routes. Eliminating this service means people have to take a regular city bus, which from some locations is damn near impossible, and from others is extremely impractical. A system where the fans are asked to pony up the difference between what the Bombers are willing to pay and what the city is asking would be great, if it weren't for the fact that the city said a "pay" shuttle is not possible (for reasons that escape me now). It was meant as a joke... It's sorta 'funny' cuz it's true Everyone agrees that a bus service of some sort is needed. The Bombers don't want to pay for it. The city doesn't want to pay for it. The fans don't want to pay for it. Everyone seems to think it's someone else's responsibility. Bus service in the cities I've lived in (Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver, Merida) are similar. Good on some routes, bad on others, and damn near impossible on the rest. Sure, you can take the train in Calgary and Vancouver, but most people have to get to it first, which makes it the same as taking a bus to a second bus to get to the stadium. Some bars in the Canadian cities offer shuttle services to the stadium for a fee. I shake my head and sometimes do a face palm when I see how entitled folks in Winnipeg think they are.

Leaning towards the owners offer isn't anti-union. It's pro-CFL. Most folks around here want to see the players get raises and to see some CFL football being played. A 10% raise and a 3K signing bonus is a way better offer than most people on these boards will get this year.

That idea doesn't fly either. Players have 6 months of time that they can choose to use to do anything they want, including having another job. Training is an unpaid requirement of a pro football career. Most professions have an unpaid training requirement too, it's just not in the gym.

That certainly explains why the union gets the financial statements.

A few points of clarity: 1. It's about the money. Most of the non-money issues have already been agreed upon. 2. Profit sharing is by definition about the money. 3. All teams except Regina have submitted their numbers to the players association (See the PA press conference). Not sure why the union thinks its their business though. 4. There is no problem getting young players to sign for $45K a season, and that's just for 6 months work, so no, it's not too low. If the CFL couldn't find players to take the minimum, they'd have to raise it. 5. All professionals have to do work they don't get paid for. In pro sports, that's keeping yourself in top shape. If you don't, you won't make the team and you won't get paid. 6. The players gave up Revenue sharing last contract because there was no revenue to share. Now that there is, they want it back. They will need to give some concessions if they want revenue sharing because the league isn't going to just give it back. (No talk from the player about any kind of concessions) 7. Most Pro leagues don't have revenue sharing, just the top 4. They also have billions of dollars, lots of teams to spread out the risk and only take the best players in their sport. The CFL doesn't have any of those things. 8. The players have been negotiating in the media since talks started. Kind of two faced of them to complain about the league doing it too. 9. Twitter comments bother some and don't bother others. Best course of action for the players is to stop them. 10. Revenue sharing appears to be the hill both sides are willing to die on. The league has deeper pockets, so I expect they win.

Strikes never make any financial sense and this one would make even less than most as the only players getting more money this year would be the ones who are making league minimum. I've read that some players contracts have a % boost based on the new agreement, so those players will also get an increase, but the vast majority of players will get nothing in return for going out on strike. In short, the offer doesn't give each player an x% increase on their current contract, it just increases the total salaries for all players on a team.

Flory's letter is bush league compared to Cohons. I agree with Mike.... get back to the table and get a deal worked out.

It has been a long time since the Als didn't have a Hall of Fame QB. They didn't have one last year and still made the playoffs.

Montreal has to beat out Ottawa and at least tie with the 4th place team in the west to get the last playoff spot. They get 2 extra games against eastern teams instead of western teams. They have a very good defense. All of that gives them a pretty big advantage over Edmonton and Winnipeg IMHO.

No way the CFL can do replacement players and keep the NI rule so the drop in talent wouldn't be very much at all. In fact there would be a general rise in talent as most of the NI players aren't as good as the import replacements would be.

yes they are really using that hashtag. And you don't like that? I sure feel don't feel alienated. More like who cares? I feel like the players dont get it. Which means their leadership doesnt get it if they havent prepared the players better than that. You cant say 'who cares' if you're on here discussing it. You care. You may not care what the players say online but you care about the process. And to me the "public" show of solidarity just gets the public rolling their eyes. The public reads about a bunch of guys who are spending all day hanging out with family, playing sports, working out, whining on twitter about how poorly they are being treated when they are expected to come play football for six months for $92,000 and then go back down south and chill out for the winter. Hard to sway public opinion. The PA should have a complete cone of silence on the players and only let the leadership release statements. Yeah, I can discuss the labour situation because I'm not just talking about stupid hashtags. I fail to see how a twitter hashtag is going to upset fans other than you & a few others. CFL players aren't millionaires & the majority never will be. The public sentiment is still with the players, I believe. Are fans happy? No. But both sides are being dickheads here equally. Yesterday I would have mostly agreed with you, but today's offer from the CFL is in the realm of reason and has shifted public opinion away from the players IMHO. If the players want it back they need to put a reasonable counter offer on the table.

Yup! I'd go see replacement players. I support the team and the CFL more than individual players.