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It's almost like Marve knew he shouldn't sign a contract extension because he knew his style's wrong for our HC.

O'Shea said they want Marve to stick around in the pocket for an extra second rather than run. IMO that's missing the point of a QB who can run like Marve can. As long as he's getting first downs, I don't care much how he gets them. That being said, I hope we don't see much of Marve this season because that means both Willy and Brohm have failed or are injured.

Brohm gets no love around here. So he must've thrown for 10,000 inaccurate yards at Louisville. Ended up being nominated for a Heisman even though he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Was drafted 56th overall in the NFL draft because he was always overthrowing or underthrowing his receivers who always ran the perfect route and never dropped a catchable ball. What is it that you are seeing about Brohm's "accuracy" that the scouts and coaches at Green Bay and the Bills (and Danny McManus) missed? Brohm's college stats mean he gets chances to play pro. Other than that, they no longer mean anything. The NFL's already decided they don't want him even as a 3rd string QB because the NFL scouts and coaches found his game wanting. Brohm's our 2nd string QB. His accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. No... thats not the same as 'can't hit the broadside of a barn', nor does it mean his receivers are always running perfect routes. It means he isn't throwing on time on target enough to move up the ranks. Willy's style is similar, but his accuracy is better.

Brohm is Willy without the accuracy. MB doesn't have to change anything in the offensive plan if he has to use Brohm. MB has to change a lot of things if he has to use Marve because he's a very different type of QB.

Way too early to provide any analysis for me Als over the Redblacks - Als are simply a better team. Cats over the Stamps - Grey Cup rematch goes the other way this time. Esks over the Argos - Eskimos are a significantly better team and the Argos don't have Ricky Ray. Riders over the Bombers - Home field and it will take some time for the Bombers to gel due to all the changes.

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announce today the following transactions. The following players have been released from the roster: International receiver Ja-Mes Logan International offensive lineman Marc Dile International defensive back Dominique Franks International kicker Anthony Santella International defensive back Shaquille Richardson International running back Carlos Anderson International receiver Mike Willie National quarterback Jordan Yantz National receiver Jordan Reaves National defensive back Justin Warden The following players have been placed on the practice roster: International running back Da’Rel Scott International defensive lineman Deantre Harlan International offensive lineman Corey Lewis International defensive back Vernon Kearney International defensive back Malachi Freeman International receiver Toney Clemons International receiver Jhomo Gordon National offensive lineman Thomas Griffiths National fullback Chris Normand National defensive lineman Ettore Lattanzio The following players have been placed on the one-game injured list: International safety Maurice Leggett International quarterback Josh Portis International defensive lineman Kashawn Fraser National defensive lineman Ivan Brown National receiver Addison Richards The following players has been placed on the six-game injured list: International defensive lineman Nate Collins National offensive lineman Pat Neufeld International defensive back Troy Stoudermire

BC Lions: Released from roster: DB Jordan Rwiyamilira (N), DB Josh Brinkworth (N), DB Jeremiah Johnson (I), DB MyronLewis (I), LB Cody Acker (I), DL Tim Jackson (I), DL Andre Monroe (I), FB Brandon Deschamps (N), RB Rickey Galvin (I), RB Damien Thigpen (I), WR Tim Vizzi (I), WR Whitman Tomusiak (N). Offered practice roster agreements: DB Darious Lane (I), LB Casey Chin (N), DL Craig Roh (I), DL Maxx Forde(N), DL Jamarkus McFarland (I), WR Terence Jeffers-Harris (I), K/P Anthony Fera (I), RB Keola Antolin (I), OLJosh Aladonoye (I), OL Campbell Allison (N). Placed on one-game injured: DB Steven Clarke (I), OL Cody Husband (N), OL Matt Norman (N). Placed on disabled list: QB John Beck (I). Returned to juniors: OL Anthony Daley (N), WR Derek Yachison (N)

Thanks for the Westerman updates.

Anyone watch Westerman last night? I don't remember hearing his name and he didn't get any tackles. Other than that, how'd he do. Same question for Waggenor. Looks like he got a tackle, but I didn't hear his name mentioned.

I'd be shocked to see Brohm gone.

On those three points, I'd just like to add: There was some nice catches by the int and NI players that weren't necessarily big plays, but nice routes and catches in traffic. Collin had a beauty across the middle. I thought Portis looked good. Moved the ball decently, nice foot work and was mobile. He would have had a first down scramble had he not let up to make a move. He was caught from behind when he did. All teams run vanilla, but there definetly different degrees. Hamilton, was always sending at least one guy deep and it was often Fantuz (ha he dropped an easy one) or Grant, Or they would run about 15 yards up to run a corner etc. Even in TO/MTL game, they had guys running more than just hooks and 5 yard outs. Thats pretty much all our guys did. Especially our man play makers. Denmark had a nice catch on the corner route, but moore had 4 catches and I'm fairly sure they were all within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. While I didn't like a lot of what I saw. It was painfully obvious they weren't showing anything. Like I said, I couldn't see the game so thanks for providing your insight. As for our vanilla.... A bunch of short throws with a few big plays are the hallmarks of a MB offence. Pretty much what we've seen since he became the OC.

Wish I could have seen the game, but from listening on the radio.... Our starting defence was getting soundly beaten by Hamilton's starting offense. Our starting offence sounded a lot like it did last year. Not much going for it except a couple of big plays. Our special teams were horrible. Missed a FG and a convert and gave up a lot of return yards. The new receivers, who were doing really well against our DB's in TC didn't do well against Hamilton's DB's. Willy's our starter. Brohm and Portis didn't do much. Marve added a spark that the others simply don't have. I expected our O to be better against Hamilton's D because Hammy left half of their starters at home. All teams run vanilla in preseason. Our vanilla shouldn't be worse than other teams vanilla.

How many NI OL are we going to carry on the 46? Greaves, Picard, Chungh look to be the starters with Goosen as the game day backup. Neufeld's salary + his injury status/history make him pretty much untradable. I doubt he'd would accept the PR (Griffiths to the PR?). That leaves the 1 game IR at full salary. Can we afford that? Sure, but should we use that much of the cap for a backup with an poor injury history? I don't think so. Is Neufeld a good backup to have? Sure if he stays healthy, but if he could do that, he'd be a starter. Will less reps help him stay on the field? Maybe, but we have to be pretty sure he can play the rest of the season if one NI starter goes down with a significant injury. I don't think that's a good bet. Will we keep him despite his injury situation and salary? I think we will. NI's get second and third and fourth.... chances, especially if they've been starters.

Thanks everyone for proving my point so well.

Looks like To and Ott will be fighting for last in the east again this year. I wasn't expecting Ray to start right away, but he can't even practise when he's on the 6 game.

This is the most laughable post you have made. You vs. Blue fanoys? No this is you vs. common sense. You once again got your nose out of joint because the team didn't use your faulty logic when making decisions and you're claiming that it's just team can do no wrong fanboys arguing with you because anyone with any shred of logic would agree with you. Maybe, just maybe when it's you vs. the world you are the one using faulty logic. Us "fanboys" and the teams coaches and GMs all said why not take all the time you are afforded? Sure 5 days is long enough to make decisions, if they had to make more cuts in the next 5 hours they'd be able to do that too, but there really is no harm in taking all the time you are afforded. Do you really supposed that a couple extra bodies around for a couple days really takes away that many reps from people? Hell a guy like Yantz from all accounts is barely taking any reps as is so clearly there's a pecking order established already and the guys with an actual shot at the team are getting the bulk of the reps anyway. Common Sense? Hardly ever see it from you. Obviously you don't know it when you see it. Face it... You're just Aardvaark with an attitude. If the Bombers do it, it's right and everyone who disagrees is wrong and should be taken to task. It's always the same around here. I make a post where I disagree with something the Bombers have done. It doesn't matter what it is... Pencer, Jade, Kelly, Mack, management decisions etc.. The same group of folks, I call them the 'Fan Boys' take it upon themselves to take my comment, usually a single line, blow it way out of proportion as if it's some sort of personal slight and they go off. Usually that's in the form of making things up that I didn't say then complaining about them. Often it includes personal attacks, grade school 'humour' and the ever popular 'You know as much as the coaches or GM's so shut up'. In this case, the concept was simple. I think the Bombers should have made their cuts before the last second because they had a lot of time to make their decisions and because every other team who didn't have to play on Friday did. That's it. The thread goes off the rails for a couple of days. Nothing new's been said since the first hour or so. Really stupid, but that's how it works around here.

Logan... That's the funny thing about this. It doesn't matter anymore. It's simply a difference of opinion between me and the "Blue Fanboys". Never should have been a big deal.

If you were someone with years and years of actual football coaching and management experience saying this, your opinion might have some validity to it. As it stands, you don't have a clue how long it takes to make decisions like this. So stating this as a fact just makes you look like someone who is complaining for the sake of complaining with no actual credibility backing your opinion. If you were someone who's opinion I valued, I might listen to your post. As it stands every team who didn't play on Friday managed to make their decisions and annouce them before the deadline except Winnipeg.

You may not be entitled, but you've definitely devised your own threshold for how long the Bombers should need to make their cuts. Especially when you earlier make a statement like "There's no excuse for the decisions not having been made yet." My threshold = the leagues cutdown day. 5 days is more than enough time to make the decisions.

denial is a horrible thing. You can deny it all you like but you are entitled. You want decisions made on your schedule and if they're not made in accordance with when you want it then you start slagging the decision makers as fools. That my friend is entitlement whether you want to call it that or not. As for the cuts, biggest surprise to me is west given how much he came along on special teams over the years. Shows how much you actually read. I don't want all the decisions to be made on my schedule. I disagree with some of the decisions. I've never called the decision makers fools. I don't think I'm entitled, I think personal decisions can be made in under 5 days. Most of the cuts were pretty easy to make. When the Bombers make different choices than I would, I point that out. When they make decisions that I agree with, I point that out. It's called having a mind of my own. Agreeing with everything the Bombers do is called 'Fan Boy', which is a title worn by a group of posters around here who want to 'yell down' everyone who disagrees with anything. The part I don't understand is why you want the club (or think the club should/could have) made the decisions earlier than any other team. Is it because we played our games earlier than some of the other teams? I don't think the coaching staff should be penalized because of the schedule makers. Training camp is short enough without also losing 5 days worth of practices and meetings to evaluate the players. The other option, of course, would been to tell the players yesterday morning instead of this morning, so they could make an announcement one day earlier, but why would they do that? They were able to get in an additional day, give every player as much of a chance as they possible could, and were able to take the evening to debate the possibilites. To do so earlier wouldn't be fair to the players in question or the coaching staff. Thanks for not trying to tell me what I'm actually thinking and asking a serious question. I'm not saying the Bombers should have made all the cuts 5 days ago or that they should have made the cuts before any other team. I'm saying they had 5 more days than the teams who played on Saturday night so they had a lot of time to make the decisions. All the teams who didn't play on Saturday night made their announcements yesterday. 17 and Dee like to refer to it as my timeframe. Getting additional days out of players you aren't keeping anyway doesn't provide much if any benefit and it takes reps away from the guys who still need to make an impression to make the cut next week. I hope we're not at the point where we need to keep the first cutdown players around in case we need them later on. Better to bring in some second cut guys from other teams or to rely on the scouts if we have injuries. Even if you want to get every last rep from the guys you're cutting. I'd still prefer that those cuts be made yesterday, face to face then announced yesterday.

So do Portis and Yantz. I'd wager $10 million of Yourface's internet dollars that we won't see all 5 QB's play on Friday. TBurgess will be livid that he and the others who will be further cuts have not been announced yet. This club has no direction or clue and won't somebody think of the children! TBurgess is happy that the first round of cuts are finally over so we can use our full resources on those players who'll actually be available for this weeks game.

We finally get the announcement. Was it really that hard? Tuinei's the only real surprise.

Tuinei is the only surprise on the list for me. Thought he did pretty well in the game.

5 days isn't rushed, it's the opposite of rushed. 5 or 6 guys they are discussing tonight won't be on the field tomorrow and won't have any more chances to make the team. Most, if not all of them, didn't have much more of a chance on Thursday or Friday or Saturday or today. Tell you what.... Lets just agree to disagree yet again and move on to discussing who we actually cut tomorrow.

I'd pass on Jock Sanders.