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It means being a consistently supportive team member especially in rough times, it means having a genuine presence in the community where you still go to the children's hospital even when you're dead tired and not because you're told too but you want too, it means appreciation for getting paid well for a sport a lot of us love playing and watching, it means committing too and acting on the system the coach has implemented making the necessary individual sacrifices/changes that's required, it means, like any profession, having a high level of emotional intelligence that can't be seen by shooting a puck into a net (see Evander Kane as an example), etc. I can guarantee that if you took all the multi talented yet narcissistic type players and put them all on the same team, dysfunctional and losses will follow. So yes other things than pure skill is what scouts, coaches and general managers look for, guaranteed.  

You jus trade for the sake of trading then?
 
Pretty sure this aint a video game

Teams aren't as likely to trade for Stafford, Perreault and Thorburn as they aren't rentals and it means they need cap room next year and beyond.  The salary ramifications make the trade much more complicated to make.
There is a reason it is rare to see trades for these types of players at the deadline.   
Man does it get tiring reading the constant posts about trading the whole team this year.  If you trade all the vets and replace them with picks and rookies next year, guess what?   The team is going to suck again next year and the cycle will return where everyone wants to trade every ageing player again.
Picks and prospects are nice but they don't payoff until 2 - 4 years down the road.

The curtain is pulled back to reveal.....stuff we already knew.

I thought the quite opposite, thought it was a great show of leadership by the coach. Really no different than Wheeler dropping the mitts. 

Bunch of young kids with talent that arnt all ready for this yet. Not many players with talent can just jump into this gig. You seem to expect them all to.
Its not just on ice things they need to deal with its everything off ice also.
With the skill and talent we have in our system i see no value in rushing it. We have or had maybe 1 or 2 guys from our bottom 6 the same to the team this year. We are not doing any better. Even tho they are more skilled.
It sucks at times to watch but players like, Schief, Trouba, Ehlers, Copp, Myers, Lowry and BC...  its good they go thru this. They can follow Wheeler, Buff, Enstrom, Stuart, Thorburn.
They learn the NHL from them...  Then their skills take over.

"Team only plays 20 minutes most games." You have got to be kidding...Jets may be lacking in talent but most games they give very good effort and a lot more than 20 minutes. You always amaze me with the unsubstantiated comments you put out constantly.

Thats fine... And my point still is how long did it take them to get to the position? All took 6 - 8 seasons.
Asking and comparing us to them is not a sound argument IMO. They went thou the same things we are now.

You seem to keep talking all these trades just to make trades it seems. I highly doubt Chevy just starts doing that.
Think hes just gonna trade Myers or Trouba to just get another young guy with potential? That aint going to happen and it really makes no sense at all. Unless these guys are trouble on or off the ice hes not moving them.
I suspect Ladd n Pav get moved and maybe a prospect and or picks are involved but we wont become as they say sellers before the deadline. We dont need to be.
RHD, LHD... it dont really matter to much now a days... lots of guys can flip n play both without to much issue.

Few things ill point out that you are completely missing....
Comparing us to the teams you mentioned dont really work and here is why.... Chicago, LA and Boston ( dont know why you added Boston but ok ) Ill even add in Pitts. The reason these teams can add n subtract like they do is because they all have a solid base of players to work around. We dont have that yet. We are working to get that solid base of players. We havent yet even started signing the guys we want as our base. Your already blowing off guys like Trouba...  Hes what? 21? 22? Thats kinda early yet to be blowing him off. Everyones comparing him to Haminioc... How old is he? 25? 26? and just coming into his own now.
Now back to the teams.... How long did it take lets say the Hawks, LA and ill use Pitts as an example. From the time they completely sucked to being a solid contender year in and year out. All took between 6 - 8 years of building. Non of them just woke up and became good.
I might be wrong but i think Pitts took the shortest time and that was around 6 years.
 
Anyway thats jus my 2 cents.   

Take a look at our prospects and tell me that again?

Can't believe someone would even consider begrudging a guy for wanting to play out his contract and help a team in the quest to win the ultimate prize in hockey. Isn't that the point of everything in the NHL? To win the Stanley Cup? And now because Stamkos wants to stick with the team he's got a contract with, while they have a legitimate shot to win the Cup, even though he may leave following the playoff run ... there are suggestions he's not a character guy?
Wow.

You seem to keep talking all these trades just to make trades it seems. I highly doubt Chevy just starts doing that.
Think hes just gonna trade Myers or Trouba to just get another young guy with potential? That aint going to happen and it really makes no sense at all. Unless these guys are trouble on or off the ice hes not moving them.
I suspect Ladd n Pav get moved and maybe a prospect and or picks are involved but we wont become as they say sellers before the deadline. We dont need to be.
RHD, LHD... it dont really matter to much now a days... lots of guys can flip n play both without to much issue.

Why?
So if Ladd signs we trade everyone?  Really?
 
Why would we do that?

Seems like Goalie got hit by too many pucks if he ever was a Goalie...sign one guy and you ship out 4 or 5? Glad he's not the GM or we would have no team left!

Why?
So if Ladd signs we trade everyone?  Really?
 
Why would we do that?

I actually agree with that. Pav and Ladd for Kempe and a 2nd maybe more 

Management and ownership has it figured out. that's why they didnt lock themselves in to any over-priced veteran contracts this season knowing they had a plethora of Free Agents to re-sign for next season.

Ive said over and over... being a soft player doesent make you a bad player. Ive never said i dont like soft players.
I also never said anything about Myers being a hardnose hard hitting player. What i said was hes a big young kid that plays his position well he can skate and move the puck hes got size and uses it well and has a great contract. His contract actually allows us to put towards others as we need. Hes not hurt alot and can play big min. Hes not in anyway a liability to us at all. Hes pretty much what every team wants.
It would IMO be a horrible move to trade him for RNH.
 

I dont disagree.  But talent is talent.

Ive said over and over... being a soft player doesent make you a bad player. Ive never said i dont like soft players.
I also never said anything about Myers being a hardnose hard hitting player. What i said was hes a big young kid that plays his position well he can skate and move the puck hes got size and uses it well and has a great contract. His contract actually allows us to put towards others as we need. Hes not hurt alot and can play big min. Hes not in anyway a liability to us at all. Hes pretty much what every team wants.
It would IMO be a horrible move to trade him for RNH.
 

Seems to me anyway youd trade Myers for no other reason then you dont like him.
Big young strong kid that can skate and move the puck with a great contract... Pretty much what you want. We wont trade that away.
And we really wont trade him for a guy like RNH.....  Hes a floater and hes soft. He doesent fit our style of play at all.

Seems to me anyway youd trade Myers for no other reason then you dont like him.
Big young strong kid that can skate and move the puck with a great contract... Pretty much what you want. We wont trade that away.
And we really wont trade him for a guy like RNH.....  Hes a floater and hes soft. He doesent fit our style of play at all.

Chevy never says anything so it aint coming from here. And like i said we wont be dealing Myers. I just dont see that happening at all.

When I Googled & looked for some mention after seeing Ducky's post, I couldn't find anything.
Closest thing I found was an interesting note that apparently EDM offered RNH to Nash for Seth Jones, but they liked Johansen better.