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CJ Marino needs to be out of this league. This is two QB now he has targeted with dirty hits and injured. We didn't the original Marino more rope than that. There is no place in pro football for players who behave like this.

Did they let him? Or did he not come clean to training staff until after the game? You don't know, and neither do I. Sometimes a player will hide the extent of their injury in order to keep playing. You are making the massive assumption that Schoen went immediately to the trainers and that they pulled out their portable MRI and were able to conclude it was fully torn but they put him out there anyway. Nope, not how it works. He was coming into the game with a partial tear so you expect some discomfort etc. The training staff were likely all over him after every series asking him how it felt etc. If Schoen doesn't come clean there isn't much any team can do. Players do it all the time, and a lot of guys end up in a lot of medical trouble after because they hid injuries from staff. It is football culture to do so to some extent. You are assuming that it hasn't. We are all working off of 3rd and 4th hand information that someone overheard someone mention that is a cousin of someone in the dressing room and people are eating this crap up because we are unhappy with how this season is unfolding. Wild speculation is not fact, and I have not seen a shred of reputable information suggesting that the Bombers knowingly rolled out Schoen onto the field with a fully torn ACL. None, zero, zip. If you have any links to his medical report, and comments from our training staff supporting this wild speculation I will listen. Until then this is gross rumor mongering and quite frankly nothing but a witch hunt., The pitchforks are out, and I get it they should be, but let's pull them out for the facts not conspiracy theories.

That needs to be investigated by the league and PA.

Keys to the game? Key 1 is this is a must win game. But more than just a win, we need a momentum builder, a jumping off point to finish the year strong. Key 2 with Zach out we need a strong run game. It's going to be harder with vanterpool off, and with Shades calling the plays on O. But we need a monster game from brady. Key 3, Tackling. We can't give an offense like hamilton free or easy yards. We need to wrap, tackle and gang tackle on first contact. Players to watch, Brady, OL, Wilson, Demski, Mitchell (needs to step up and earn his spot or lose it), Wheatfall (needs to re find his early season form and bring the premium play his position demands) Kyrie (how healthy is he, will he diminish being banged up) Person (will his reps on D manifest or will he ride the pine) And houston (will he be the gambler or has he wisended up)

Even if he fully tore it after he came back, they still let him finish the game knowing it was re-injured. By their own admission, he got hurt again early in the LDC so why was he out still there?

Disrespected because instead of trying to re-sign him, they went after Mitchell first. Didn't even receive an offer until the day before FA opened. His agent only had 2 brief conversations with them during the off-season. They wanted to let the market determine his value rather than coming to an early agreement, Bombers shut down his side business working in grassroots football in the city. Said it wasn't that they didn't want him doing it but they wanted it to be under their organization so his work permit got cancelled.

I get what you're saying and I don't entirely disagree. Though in a championship game, a back up qb should not beat you. Also, I don't think Arbuckle was the guy last year he is his year. I'm also not entirely sure how much of his performance is putting up stats on a bad team. MTL was really well coached as well as toronto, If we didn't spot each of the last 3 GC competitors with significant roster advantages, we could've won all of em. especially if our prep, execution, and game plans were on par with what we played against.

fact of matter...he fully tore it in cgy.....and should have been shut down....you cant rehab a torn ligament with a stint on the 6 game and from my understanding he fully tore it originally and had to have a hamstring graft to repair....so tells me a complete acl replacement. None the less....should never touched field after CGY re-injury as per the @SpeedFlex27 discussion....I have my concerns about player safety as well from all the guys we trotted out the last 3 yrs who shouldnt have been out there There is a a line one would hope that you have where the risk is not worth the reward....I think we did/do it due to woefull depth....and lack of trust in all these #1's because they never get any opportunity to gain meanigfull reps/experience in-season so it is decisions born out of desperation really....and all points back to HC and G.M

Has Ty Jones once said: "Turn the Ti-Cats into ***** cats!"

if kenny lawler thinks his last contract here was playing at a discount, he’s lost the plot. he was making 285k+ Also, for a guy who crapped the bed with his own pass port status and missed a big chunk of a year, and missed them with a dui incident, he doesn’t get to complain about his work status with us. I love the guys talent, but he’s tough to listen to at times. He is right though, that the bombers did a piss poor job of trying to retain him, as we’ve often done in free agency the last several years. Seriously, has taman been face off’d with walters or some thing?

He tore it fully when he came back, it was not fully torn prior, and I agree that it isn't probably the wisest move to play a guy on a partially torn ACL but that wasn't the discussion I was having with SpeedFlex. He accused the Bombers of disregarding player safety, I took issue with that assertion. He was given the option to rehab the tear by medical staff, that is how we know it was a partial tear. Fully torn ACL is automatic surgery and quickly before the two sides of the ligament contract. No medical staff in the world would let a player go out on a full tear.

I mostly agree with the above points. But based on the way Arbuckle has played this year, and the shutdown D and solids STs that the Argos had last year, last year's GC was not the gimme that many believed it was

key word....Partial...and yeah agreed but with minimal success and production....but more often than not they a lineman....maybe a QB....Not a RB or Wr who has to rely in cuts...stop...go....jumpinmg and landing.....and if they were to try, they are basically a shell of their actual production....and more apt to sustain further damage.....both which we witnessed in real time...hence the stupidity and incompetence of it all Schoen retore his completely...big difference....huge

or if half of them happened to be pro football level athletes at any point before they turned 30. First, it’s not flexibility. when you don’t take those canadians off and use the extras to get better players on at strategic points and times, it’s just wasted excess. Second, it’s not injury insurance, that’s what quality canadian depth is. starting extra guys who are fringe players doesn’t make you less susceptible to injury because you don’t have the back up imps to replace if the canadians go down. won the last gc 4 years ago. that doesn’t buy a coach an eternity of mistakes. neither does pissing away 3 championship games to bad coaching. Thing is, you require less canadians now than we did when he came up with this due to nat canadian role. so not only are we over the min, we are massively over it. Meanwhile our 2/4 2/3 canadian dl is our biggest weak spot. It’s been more than a year. with his pissing away 3 gc games, 2 that should’ve been easy wins, and then last year only being salvaged by a ridiculous lucky streak at the end of the year, and this year, he’s had tons of rope. Thing is, these are the same problems mos had before 19. he hasn’t improved at all. His roster management isn’t even debatable at this point.

There have been many. Count how many players around the league suddenly turn up with knee braces on and you will find your answer. You are suggesting that a partially torn ligament is an automatic shut down and it isn't in many cases. A lot of guys have partial tears play out the season with a brace then have surgery to repair.

Interesting article in today's Free Press about Kenny Lawler. Basically the Bombers didn't handle contract negotiations well according to him. Troubling stuff if true.

Bucky Drinkwalter...played back in the leather helmet days hahaha

One of our 6 being a limebacker with zro experience there...and only getting on on short yardage to basically account for offense's spreading opit the oline our vet ends would be fine with actual consistent rotation with Person, and with 2 other guys on the dline that cause problems and are active and possess yech skill ...and younger Thomas has none of that now...and is so easy to defend...straight forward push...no hand skills so teams just wash him left...wash him right...spin him aroind or just engage him one on one and let him push forward, and they run plays past him...cant get off...no backside pursuit Dline works in tandem and a weak link...let alone 2 really hampers the others and what you wanna do I had mentioned several times here that Lawler would have stayed...at a reasonable cost, and wanted to...but all wasnt as it seemed here as this perfect regime....people called me out...said I was full of it But there ya go.....I have convo/contact with many aspects of team and players that media don't and know a lot more than what they feed fans It's not the love fest many like to believe andd there is a lot of frustration on many levels but you wont hear it in media

Adams hit a wall a bit but if allowed to work through it woulda been fine I bet...Woods was real good all yr when he got to play Adams thus yr as well....our most consistent interior guy and was rostered during our better defensive performances as well....made plays...allowed some space for the ends

Go Bombers!

Exactly my point. Expecting old players to play that much is just a bad idea.

At a time like this I'm reminded of the many times the team won a close game and you or someone else pointed out flaws and people would chastise you/them for not just being happy with the win and how "good teams find ways to win close games"...when...in point of fact...good teams are constantly analyzing, adjusting, critiquing and improving so there aren't so many close games.

Thanks for the article, Johnny Abony.

There's a definite pattern here as Lawler isn't the first player at free agency to feel that way.

It’s a pretty long article but it basically says he felt disrespected by Bomber management. “For the star receiver, it boiled down to one main thing: disrespect. “Y’all signed Dillon Mitchell before me. Who wouldn’t (feel disrespected)?” Lawler shared with the Free Press on Thursday in a one-on-one chat inside Hamilton Stadium.” … Now a member of the Hamilton Tiger-Cats, Lawler said he didn’t receive a contract offer from the Bombers until a day before free agency opened at the start of February. His agent only had two brief conversations with Winnipeg, where the club was more focused on gauging the market value for a receiver of his calibre. For Lawler, there was a more personal issue that needed to be addressed. The two-time division all-star from Pomona, Calif. — who moved his family up to Winnipeg — had been doing some work on the side helping the city’s grassroots football scene before running into a roadblock. “It’s not that (the Bombers) didn’t want me to do it — they wanted me to do it under them. They closed my work permit,” Lawler explained. “I have my own business where I go and run camps and I was starting to do that and was getting momentum and when I had to get my work permit closed it was like, ‘hmm, why is this happening?’ You know what I want to do, I live here in Winnipeg, the full year, and if I am going to be taking a pay cut, which I was doing when I was in Winnipeg the whole time, I’m going to need something else to be able to supplement that. It’s not that I need it, it’s that I want to be able to start it so when I’m done with football I can still live where I’m at and transition right into something else and someone wasn’t seeing that.” When asked who, specifically, wasn’t on board, Lawler responded with: “I think that’s a question you might have to ask them. And it probably wouldn’t be to anyone that you could probably get an (interview from).”