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no...not at all but what u get when u drag your feet hiring a guy.....or u intended to use that smuck right from the get go....as an internal hire With zero experience....or street cred....and well thats what happens....garbage and ruderless all yr....the lack of in game adjustments and being clowned all yr in second halfs....evidence enough Probably affected FA signings as well and why we had to basically scrap heap and grab the garbage nobody else wanted...all ties into what went on.

Fire Hogan.

well said....and actually an under the radar loss in terms of accountability and making sure guys stayed accountable was letting Kongbo walk for basically just a piddly amount of money...we could have had him back here I think WJ still adds value, and should get a look in camp.....but needs to reestablish himself and show if it was scheme/role....or just loafing.....for his position he is not old by any standard especially body type wise..I think it was a cumulative thing here in what we were doing....and the lack of impact dlineman to work with.....That being said he needs to have to come back at lesser price tag and also be a true rotated guy....it would allow him and whatever 3...4 others we should be rostering flourish On fence with Stan and didnt see enough from the new guys at left tackle to be sold on then.....yet....but guys need to play also and Randolph over the course of the yr really transformed and should be considered one of the top RT's in the league...and is the most athletically gifted...expecting *** things for him next yr....Neuf makes the perfect 6th/swing oline guy...I cant criticize any guard here based on the utter slop we had at center...he got even worse as yr went on and at times saturday just watching his play was embarrassing....I sure hope he is, and Osh as well when watching that tape Whoever is paying the money here next yr needs to look at the value of the player....if they are providing bang for that buck and to replace how much would be saved and available for others I dont care how smart Kramdi apparently is and how Osh likes he plays....if you cant master one spot then get outta town at 140k when there are already several guys on roster who played the spot better...and at half the cost.....Guy is a liability, but a good backup and situational guy....not at his salary tho....Thomas same boat, tho he offers nothing at all and we are just standing in neutral playing him over a cheaper rookie with upside and future ahead of them

i agree. We can't promote from within. The only coach I'd accept from this group as HC would be JJ. He's an outsider who has experience with a lot of different CFL organizations.

The off season is 2 weeks shorter than before. They can't afford to sit around & wait.

The large majority of those guys are locked up for next year. he brought in the rookie ends who looked damn good. He wouldn’t talk to the media late season, Nor would he or the other gms now eliminated do any thing before gc week. Even then, the majority of the pressers league wide will wait till after the gc. Doing it during the play offs is poor form. Because the gc is here, if we have a plan we can start right away, announcing what we can during the gc week makes sense. Yep, and the fact we ran a bunch of stuff in tc only to not use it at all during the season. That could be jackson coming in and us realizing in pre season that hogans playbook is cooked. Just dismal though. If this is what’s being publicly said, imagine the crap they aren’t willing to say to the media, or to each other.

I was texting my niece in Toronto whose husband & son wer watching the game They were going crazy with stress. When that HR happened, I texed, "Wow. Sorry, that's crushing. Been there. Done that. I know how you feel". And I did. The past 3 years.

Where is Walters? Has there been a sighting in months?? You'd think he'd be talking to the media today. I don't buy he has no contract bullshit. Osh talks to the media everyday. Total effin bullshit. Now, if he does have a news conference today I'll eat crow.

And we have a Head Coach who seems clueless.

That interview with Collaros is stunning. Imagine your starting QB saying after 21 games that your offense couldn't settle on anything they were "good at", and that you spent training camp running stuff you never used. Is that normal? I don't even know what to say...

And Barron is week to week....but Lowry is ready to come back tomorrow

Brady Oliveira, Ontaria Wilson, Nic Demski, Deatrick Nichols, Cam Allen, Evan Holm, Cam Lawson, Gabe Wallace, Kendall Randolph, Trey Vaval, Connor Shay, Jaylen Smith, Kydran Jenkins, Matthew Jaworski, Redha Kramdi, Sergio Castillo, Taylor Elgersma(not signed but still property). Those are the only guys that i would be disappointed to lose.

Demski

I'll be sad when vaval goes to the NFL and we have to go back to finding a KR lol Personally, I wouldn't be married to any vet. Maybe sergio?

With in the system we played, I don't think any one short of milt in his prime would create more room. We played shallow, dense passing concepts. No one stretched the d in any direction. The lawler type is some thing every team needs if they don't have one. But the thing about lawler is, when he isn't on teams sag on him. And he's off far more games than he is on. No doubt, he can dominate any game. And when he flips that switch you can't do any thing about it. But when he doesn't, he doesn't require or get double teams. Just under half of his yards and Tds came in his 4 games of 100 yards or more. He is good for as many games where he catches 3/7, 4/10 and has under 40 yards with a RBs per carry level of per catch. We could make a burner work, we could make a down field possesion guy work, a yac guy, any one who will consistenly catch and do damage no matter the situation. Bryant isn't the anchor anymore, but he could be servicable. I think our OL will be best off with high levels of change. He has struggled with great speed the last two years, but maybe the answer is flip big stan to C. Run with pool, and rando at the Ts, and 2 canadian guards. Big stan could co ordinate the utter mess our interior line has been quick fast and in a hurry. And no one would be able to line up out side him and blow by.

So other than Brady.... is there anyone we'd be super disappointed to lose?

With both walters and mos contracts' up, I am sure the process will be Wade meets with both, then walters meets with mos before the deals run out. Walters deal would come from wade and mos from walters. Will any of them step up and demand change? I honestly don't have a clue. I can only hope so. Which veteran players are actually providing irreplaceable leadership? Probably zach, demski, nichols, and brady. i don't think any of the long in the tooth gang, especially wj, is actually providing leadership. You can't lead on or off the field and put in that low an effort for much of the game. You can't coast, you can't sleep walk through quarters, continually fail to finish plays/tackle and command respect and leadership. I think that is one of the biggest problems we have. We don't actually have that strong locker room leadership we used to. The guys like Yoshi, kongbo, Adams, Bailey, and BA that did the job are gone. Wilson was solid, but flashed maybe half a game of the top-level play we used to see for a month or two. Even when healthy, I don't think he has enough to offer to keep bringing back at any salary. The upside just isn't worth much risk, or bottle necking young guys who are probably as good as him already. Willy is a lot of talk and not a lot else. I love the guy, but he's miles past where JJ was when we wrote him off. In fact, I would take JJ today over WJ. he might not be great ever again, but atleast he would get his ass upfield and after the qb on every snap and finish plays where he gets both hands on the qb. Forget the 200k+ he's been getting. For 100k, and to be the 3rd end as the nat imp it only makes sense if we get a premiere end to be the first guy. I agree on Vaughters, he was solid if not spectactular. he's the 2nd end in a 3 man end rotation. We need the first, and it isn't wj. Cant be married to him but wouldn't be the worst guy to bring back. I'm still not sure schmeks career is on the defensive side of the ball. But for the low price he will get, he brings a ton of value as the extra big body on the end of the roster. Lawson at most would get the same starting money we already gave him. he isn't due any raise. Maybe a couple grand less. I love what the guy can do, but he is still the 3rd dt in a good front. Thomas I don't think will ever quit. He is the kind of guy who has to be told it's over. Idk if we will but we sure as hell need to. Wood and Adams are guys I would like back in camp. Adams is too rare a combination of size and athleticism to give up on in relatively few snaps. Not to mention his versatility covering kicks, on teams, backing up the p/k, and playing inside out. One of those two nees to step up and be the no2 dt. And at that, I think we need a Ceressna type to be the straw who turns the drink, or a stove. Other guys to look long and hard at; Eli. if we aren't gonna give him a chance to start we need to move younger. If the guy won't get the look over kola we need to tear down the entire interior of the OL and start over. Rebuilding a Line involving the Ts is hard, when you have the tackles and can go imp at G it's easy. Kola 15 minutes were up a couple years ago. Bryant. It's time for him to hang em up. I love the guy, he is such a great pro maintaining him self but it's time. Lofton, Rando, and Vanterpool should fight it out for T spot. I wouldn't mind bringing in a top end guy and pushing lofton out. Or sliding Vanterpool inside to play G full time. Neufeld, should be time to go, but if he wants to 1) move to centre, or 2) be the 6th ol you can easily keep him around for leadership and limited use. Parker, Bonds, Mitchell, Logan, Strev, Lawson jr, and Kody can all go. No need to be married to older DBs on this team when we can so easily find guys who plug and play at a high level. I love nichols, but I wouldn't be married to any of our dbs right now. From wrs, the last thing we need is more mediocrity. None of these guys will or should have the same opportunity to step up and be a no1 or no2 again here or other wise. Sterns was solid but unspectactular. Wheatfall was very seldom brilliant and other wise largely invisible. We can't built our WR from the bottom up and wait for the great wr1 to emerge or return. We gotta go out and get top guys and fill the bottom with young guns. If that ends up being either sterns or wheatfall that's fine. But they should be only signed after we do some thing impactful. Other wise it'll be the same thing over again next year, and we can replace those guys easily. If zach comes back, I wouldn't bring back Wilson. Even with out Elgersma factored in, we need to go out and get a real qb2, and have it be a battle for that spot. We can't run out a qb3 who we won't play late in blow outs that qb2 started.

This play right here. Bottom of the 9th. No way Kiner-Falefa should be this close to the 3rd base bag, yet he is basically on the bag. I understand not wanting to get doubled up on a hard hit ball caught by an infielder, but even if he is just a couple more feet down the line the Jays win it. Look at the Jay on 2nd. On top of that he hesitates just a bit on contact and does a little hop. The bases are loaded, the f'ing millisecond there is contact you are sprinting for home with your head down. Just all around brutal baserunning and awareness. Cost them a championship.

Realistically we can't get rid of all our veteran leadership. Osh does give his leaders much responsibility, and we run a really unique defensive scheme....in saying that some of these guys need to be looked at under a microscope and an honest evaluation needs to be done on not just play or intangibles but the whole picture including return on investment... Some defensive examples may be, and these are all FA so "easy" to cut bait with if we choose...note we have some special teamers deeper back-ups like Gauthier and Cadwalader and a bunch of DB's..but DB's are something we seem to do such a good job with, I won't get into them...but here are some LB and DL question marks Kramdi he is one of the smartest guys out there and is pretty good player with versatility....but is he worth what his next contract will be worth.... Griffen...how do we view him can he be a main stay.... Wilson injury prone, a year older looked really good this year, is the risk of him being healthy worth it, and as mentioned what about what is behind him, can we save some money here, maybe flip it a CDN spot... Willy, one of the best that has been, adds tons of leadership and voice, but is that still worth what his next contract will pay him... Vaughters, he was good, solid dependable, but is that really what we need opposite of Willy...maybe, but did the few flashes from some other guys make him expendable... Schmekel, the guy looked light years better before injury, he is a FA does he have a future behind Lawson... Lawson...he won't be cheap, he has injury concerns... Thomas...will he retire....he has tons of experience and knowledge of this team, is as reliable as time itself but is he really the future, is he really a starter.... Woods...Some flashes, he is a FA so he won't be on a cheap deal anymore, is he a guy that can solidify the middle? We can't or shouldn't sign them all, nor should we cut bait with them all....

Does Miller sit down with Walters and MOS and explain things need to change? Will MOS change? Will Walters?

Yup. No impact players on the DL or LB other than the occasional Willie knockdown and a few flashes from Woodbey. No reason for Kyrie to be brought back.

Non factor on that decision (Canadian vs American) IMO. You need someone to be an impact player in the first two levels of D and WIL is an easy spot to put that kind of player that is maybe a bit less refined in a normal D but just pure motor. No way we should be paying guys in their 30's who are just plugs and doing nothing exceptional.

Please send your resume to Wade.

Yep. Platooning Smith and Shay (Shay starting and taking the largest portion of snaps) at one Lber spot would benefit us in soo many ways. Then the amount we played woodbey as well, making him our go to wil would only make sense. You can trade Jones for some asset, save salary cap over both jones and kyrie, gain a starting canadian on the ratio, and then you can have 2 lbers capable of picking up a wr in coverage or dropping back into a deep zone. It's like having 2 prime biggies in pass cover out of the 2nd level. We need a 2nd Canadian DL who can actually play. With that, we would have the flexibility to do any thing we want else where. We could go 3 full time imps on the OL with ease.