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I think 2013 was the true nadir of the bombers, the darkest moment before the dawn of the present age. Reinbold's teams were terrible, but they has spirit and Milt Stegall played out of his mind in 1997. 1600 yards with Chris Vargas and Kevin McDougall as your quarterbacks. Unbelievable. There were a couple of fun Kelly games too -- Fred Reid's big outing in BC plus that home game where Michael Bishop passed for like 450 yards. bomb after bomb after bomb. 2013 had no such moments. 2013 was just unrelenting ****.

Among other things, yes. I suspect that Tony Jones was brought in a a placeholder until Bighill could walk out onto the field without the use of a cane.

The D in 2011 was amazing. But it was still a Lapo team. He coaches teams to be good enough to just barely lose. Defense dragged the to the initial record but that was unsustainable. Without them scoring lapo just did not have the instincts to play to win rather than play not to lose.

You do have the luxury of doing both! You can absolutely dress backups who can play special teams but are primarily on the roster for their defensive or offensive ability. Ayers last offseason was kept because he was the best special teams player but there were other linebackers showed better at linebacker in preseason. We dress linebackers at DE for special teams reasons rather than an actual DE who can take reps on D and help that position. We have 0 for depth at receiver because they'd rather linebackers or dbs for special teams. No one builds a roster like oshea does.

This era has been the best time to be a Bomber fan in my life. The success may soon be coming to an end (plenty of season left to see) but history will remember this time fondly. Ironically feel like the fan complaining has stayed the same, despite the huge change in success from those horrible regimes to this excellent one.

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Bighill was in tandem before he was injured. Check your facts. I don't mind when someone has a fact based gripe, but you are ignoring the fact that we had already taken 40% of his snaps away prior to injury. How does that equate to him for sure being our starter if he isn't injured. The facts say otherwise. Sorry to burst your bubble but all teams use their roster exactly like we do, Why? Because in the CFL there are going to be guys on every roster that are just there for the teams because we have a small roster size and a NAT and Global minimum to uphold. You are acting like we have the luxury of doing both and we don't. no team does.

Well these are a bunch of s****y memories you guys are digging up on game day. I hope tonight does not resemble those dark times in any way shape or form! 😂 Talking about Tim Burke as HC instantly brings back memories of Jason Boltus - easily the worst performance I've seen from a "pro" QB live.

In hindsight that 2011 team was completely overrated. Lost back to back games against the 2-7 Saskatchewan Roughriders, finished the season 10-8 after starting the season 7-2 or 8-4. A lot of playmakers on D but still allowed nearly 25 points a game. Offence was average at best. It just gets remembered more fondly because of how bad our team was before and afterwards. Fun season for sure but not even in the same league as any of the Bomber teams from 2016 onwards.

Bighill would still be starting if he didn't get hurt, we failed to have guys in place to groom. I know you like to say it's all on walters but I don't buy it because we've seen this team have an ability to replace players with rookies in the past. The problems are that we don't use the roster for depth, it's used for special teams players or situational players (like a 7th OL).

MIKE was already seeing Tony Jones taking about 40% of the d snaps from Bighill and the fact we brought in Tony Jones speaks to the plan to turn that position over. That was pretty good future planning really. Anyone else in the LBer crew? Some could argue KW needs replacement but we do have both Jones and Ayers in waiting there so again, future planning in place. DL, you have a point on Jeffcoat not being adequately replaced or the interior of the DL, but that falls on the GM really who has brought in pretty lousy talent through recruitment and free agency. Offensive line who exactly are you talking about? Bryant? Neufeld? because those two guys are still playing at a pretty high level. Yoshi is gone but Lofton is an adequate replacement. Bryant has Vanterpool behind him. Where exactly is the lack of planning for replacement. Unless you are just saying we need to get rid of all veterans over 30 because they are over 30 regardless of whether they still got game and that younger means better no matter what. Is that what you are getting at?

He was also pretty short lived as head coach... but yeah Tim Burke had some truly lifeless performances.

Osh coaches like he would have wanted to be coached, and I have this big suspicion that osh wouldn't have appreciated a coach playing a young guy ahead of him. So if you're being an osh type player you're bullet proof. Osh never retired, that says it all. He's got blinders when it comes to long in the tooth veterans who made up the core of the teams best years. Guys like Wally Buono erred on the side of replacing guys too soon as opposed to too late. Osh is the opposite.

Yea..what coach plays rookies ahead of Vets? Not many unless they are rebuilding or have to because of injuries...or the rookie forces them to out of sheer talent.

Tim Burke gets more leash because he was an incredible DC and was really the only reason we had Swaggerville in 2011...

I think it's more about guys that have earned his and Youngers trust at this point. Now I know you're going to say "well they can't earn trust if they don't play!" but my personal belief right now is that Osh has guys he trusts to get the job done and that's why he's so loyal to certain ones.

I feel like Tim Burke should get down on his knees daily and thank God that Reinbold and Kelly exist otherwise he would take way more heat.

MOS being a former Cdn linebacker himself perhaps may have a better idea where these young guys are right now? I just don't see why he would intentionally hold back CDN players and at the same time intentionally ignore rules that would help him dress more starting Americans? Which one is it? Is Mos not always criticized for being pro-Canadian?

Yeah Jim Daley was a real low point which is why despite O'Shea's flaws I've still got time for him because he won't get down to that level.

Brady!

How soon we forget Tim Burke For as much as we might complain about the roster and O'Shea being stubbornly set in his ways, we have won a **** tonne of games and have enjoyed a fun ride these last number of years.

Bo Levi Mitchell's first ever start was against the Bombers in 2013. 22/25 for 376 yards, 3 TD 0 INT. I'll never forget that one.

Defensive line, linebacker was only done due to signifcant injury to Bighill last year, offensive line... and it's not that development time was wasted on specific people, it was a lack of future planning in those areas.

Yeah Maas had stupid completions in a row twice! Sad thing is Marcus Howell was probably one of the better dbs dressed in those days.

Some people choose to I'll say this about Tui....He was WIDE open last game.