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No way for any of us to know if the play calls are the issue because we don't know what the calls were. Having said that, I think I'd be okay with holding ZC out this week no matter what and giving Strev a full week of starter reps and a game plan specifically designed for him.

No...I meant in actual game...a lot different than practice...was perfect opportunity to practice it under live bullets

Are you saying that the team doesn't make the time to practice 2pt converts, onside kickoffs, etc? If true, that's a damning indictment of the coaching staff.

Ferguson said during the broadcast that Tony Jones was the leader of our D and I was like if that's true, we're in trouble. I mean who is the leader of Toronto's D? McMannus. Montreal? Beverette. One of those things is not like the others.

and we didnt address or bring anyone in to shore up DT...C....or up the middle of the defence....and challenge for a spot...tho we know how that would have went any way...CHrist Thomas was signed before FA even started.....so that tells you right there his spot was cemented....and not like if we waited he would have had a mad rush to sign him...Jones too....2 yr deal before FA....Cemented as starter..... he was also pretty damn dynamic...outside and in the slot in Edm...which was a shitshow to boot with no real legit QB....This excuse we using is a load of crap Any pro team with pro recievers and legit coaching can make things work/happen .....but we jump on the excuse train and chug along and last 3 games...where they were literally over for most part in 3rd...not a single back-up...sub.....was given any opportunity to show what they had with meaningful reps still to be played...no 2 point convert practiced...on-side kick...any kind of trickery/fake.....nothing...just status quo we will be ok with some hearty film review and self reflection.....thats poorassed coaching anyway you wanna slice it...especially after each loss...we just came back to same well...with same group...same schemes...and same results....

It's scary when look at who the Argos were starting on OL and at QB. If they'd ground out a close win, that would be one thing. But the Bombers never even had a chance to win. And I'd say the casual fans have clued in by now.

Who would have thought that we'd be yearning for Buck to be back as OC?😊 I won't argue with that.

At the risk of repeating myself, Streveler deserves a chance to play himself into the starting role or off the team, and he has not been given that opportunity.

too much buddy buddy mr nice guy lets not offend anyone b.s going on here

said right from get go...Schoen expected to be Schoen coming off that less than a yr from surgery was dumbest thing....takes a good half yr at minimum once back playing to get your game back....and good chance we effed him with a set back and dont see him again this yr.... I think it's scheme and guys over compensating for others....Bonds...Nichols and Griffin were top notch all last yr...and 2 games in this yr...they didnt forget how to play....and sometimes thinking player A is being burned isnt true when he has noticed something and is trying to make up for player B and C Also having Kramdi and T.Jones lost in space with coverage and depth of drops more often than not isnt helping...and Parker isnt seasoned enough to QB things....We wasye Ayers as a DA...plays teams and a couple of pointless reps on defence...do we not trust him...or is it Osh and his inability to assess talent...and get over his bias's....We may as well swap him for J.Jones and he would definitely make our defense better...and plays teams too....T.Jones had some plays yesterday...but also was a issue on defence too...he's situational guy only really....and would be the better DA....BUT his spot was cemented prior to camp We also rotate and interchange wayyyy too much on the backend and guys just aren't grasping it...or getting in a flow of the game...Perfect your 4 best base sets/looks....and then start some installs.....with that you can cover basically any look an offense is showing you anyway.....and what we trying to do isnt fooling anyone now...other than ourselves Also I am all for change and youth...and best playing...But really I didnt understand not bringing back BA...wouldnt have broke the bank...and he played well last year and finally looked like his old self....and the secondry showed it...I'd bring him back as he here anyway and get him back at safety.....Drop Bridges off active...Bring on Allen and have Griffin play SAM...One of Parker or Allen at that corner and roll with that...season is still salvageable and allows us time to intigrate the new blood Also get Bailey on for one of Ball...Korn...Thomas...we seen how 3 ends who were allowed to actually flow to the ball played...Imagine 4 with a solid use of Lawson and Adams soley inside...Did Korn even see a snap??...I saw Ball on ST a few plays but really...what a dumb move Hopefully Kelly is ready next week.....and pushes off one of the many pointless slugs... I think currently he is more an answer than ZC....and what was with him being pulled?...Hurt?...performance?....Other??....my guy is he shouldn't have even been dressed let alone playing....another HC brainwave move of ineptness.....a lot of Strev's perceived weakness as well would be corrected with playtime and practice reps....he didnt show that his first yr here...or in NFL....Just since we nearly ruined him last yr....and dont allow him any kind of chance to really develop much here....and Hogan as the OC isnt helping

Always appreciate your perspective. However, I'm not sure Steveler, given enough rope, is the answer. He might win the odd one but while I think he's got a strong arm, with his mechanics, I don't think he can be consistent. He's, imo, not patient enough in whatever pocket may be available to him. If his first look isn't open, he tends to get happy feet and vacates. And, depending on which way he goes, there's a tendency for inaccurate across the body throws (another one almost intercepted last night). I realizer Streveler us next man up but I'm ready to see more of Wilson.

I don’t necessarily disagree. On tv several plays made Nichols look really bad at first… especially on one TD where he “let” an Argo receiver run right by him for the score. Replay showed him by himself trying to decide which of three… three!! Argo receivers to cover. Griffin had some bad plays for sure, but the whole secondary was doomed by guys like Bridges and Parker being awful or MIA.

man with no clue...answer....and future really...what a moron really?....a bunch of guys in that room ya have seen it....and yet it still happens...maybe its the guys in the room....and the coach leading them....or lack of leading....he has no clue and zero answers....gonna just be more of the same.....And if Case didnt get hurt we would have trotted out the same exact lineup this coming week....but that decision got made for him....But I expect probably a bizzare pointless roster move tho....why would we expect anyting else?? root problem is coaching now...and was before the run with poor coords and a questionable roster.....and again now with an aged out depleted roster....and some way past their usefulness players....I'm not anti Younger but he is saddled with crap...and thats all on Osh...Hogan...way over his head...and what to expect with zero pedigree for this and himself saddled with prob one the poorest recieving groups in yrs...and thats league wide....not just here Not up to Oshea to entertain anything...and if it was...we'd be really hooped more than we are....He obviously has been given wayyyyy too much say in who we keep....roster...and target in free agency...and he's destroyed the roster If entertaining anything is on the table...ot's moving on from him quickly and starting a semi reboot now before its a full on purge season end....We can be light yrs better likely with who we have now save for somehow getting a legit reciever somewhere...somehow...But with Osh leading the charge....based on what he's been saying...his ideas and his penchant for his bias's...we screwed shittty throw....but should have been caught.....synopsis of what ails the offense....sub par players Strev if handed the reigns...tailored system to him...Lions share of practice reps...Jackson more involved in system...and player use....he could be just fine...especially if given the assurance he doesnt have to look over his shoulder and be worried about getting yanked if he has a oopsie here and there....cant grow if you arent allowed to screw up and then show you have corrected it

I thought that may have been Griffins worst game as a Bomber as well. Could have been the field conditions though. Looked slow and hesitant to attack ball carriers.

It is baffling as I don't believe (any more) that he's injured. He's got some size (6'1") at least relative to the current receivers and he was decent for the Elk and multi-dimensional (returned kicks). A head scratcher.

It certainly seems like hes able to use a lot more motion etc with Strev. Maybe he doesn't prefer it.....but he should. Moving forward I dont know how they don't utilize both qbs far more.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree but it would be very concerning if we hired an OC who prefers using the backup to the starter

I fully believe Hogan would prefer Streveler than Collaros. The Offense seems more dynamic when Streveler is in.

2023?

I did it last season...

We literally had a press conference held for the signing of Mitchell to introduce him. Now he’s a healthy scratch. He was also being touted as the replacement for the star we already had that we let walk. Someone needs to explain that.

Nobody believes Hogan with his apologies. When his son got into that crash which left his sons friend paralyzed Hogan tried to make it seem like they were the victims. Hogan has lied so much it's a joke, the dude tells stories where timelines are off by 10+ years or where their is obvious video evidence that it never has happened. The guy has never been sincere and has always beed looked as a grifter, backstabber (ask Jesse Ventura about that) , bad family man, sexual predator, etc... What is odd is that he has had real stories where the guy was genuinely good and nice and helped out people in need. But the lies and bad stories outweigh them by so much. Hogan is such a good guy that he never seen his grand kids and hadn't spoke with his daugther for years because he has been so busy trying to grift the Trump people into buying his beer and other crap. Hulk Hogan the character is/was a legend , but the person playing him is a shyster and very slimey.

When do we officially declare Zach as cooked and done? As I had posted in the other thread last season he had 14 TD and 15 INT's until that Edmonton game which was in September.... this year he's not improved. Are they obligated to pay him next season? I can't imagine it being all the receivers faults and if we require him to only toss deep bombs that are innaccurate then what's the point of paying him a huge salary when we can have anyone else doing the same thing.

Have to admit that I uttered a few f-sharps at the TV while watching the Bombers blow up last evening. A few observations: I checked the TO weather forecast before the game and the rain was predicted. The way the team was playing it looked like the were not prepared for the conditions. Vaval carrying the rock like he thought he was the Lincoln Locomotive. He's not and the resultant fumble is not just on him but on the ST coach for not pounding "protect the ball" into his head. The D-backs were playing too far off the receivers resulting in, well, a lot of Argo receptions. And, to me it looked like the Bomber defenders weren't wearing the right footwear for the soggy, real grass field. Too far off and a lot of slip sliding away. A lack of preparedness? Kolankowki has got to make sure that he has a grip on the ball. Parker, although he was slipping a lot, was still starting off in the wrong position. Too often he was moving away from the play so he wasn't much of a back up. I realize that he's a pretty good tackler but I think that S is not his position. Do we have anyone taller who might be able to step in? Given what's happening at the corners, can Parker slot in one of those spots. Tony Jones is not the answer in the middle of the LB corps. I think that he's too slow as is Kramdi, who also has developed a case of tackle-itis. The other Jones....Jon, is stagnating on the "one-game" IR. Surely, he can be fit into the starting lineup at one of the LB spots. The D-line played better last night. I think that there was more rotation going on. It took six games for the coaches to figure that out? I feel badly for Case as that may be a season ending injury. However, perhaps a guy like Mitchell can now slot in. He was a solid player for Edmonton and aside from being a sure-handed receiver he's also a reasonable kick/punt returner. And, what's the deal with Logan, also on the one-game IR since the season started. Sure the O-line wasn't at their best but, to me, it seems that Collaros is "too slow" and Streveler "too fast". Collaros can't get the ball out fast enough and Streveler is too fast to abandon the pocket. And, what's with all of his cross-the-body throws? There's more but I'll leave it at that. End of rant. P.S. If the fans can see the flaws in the Bombers, I'm thinking that Miller does, too. Is it time for him the call an all staff (coaches) meeting?

The first just under half of the game was extremely sloppy conditions. A lot of struggling to keep the ball, and guys slipping on both sides. Toronto was hitting us with big plays from the first drive though and it felt like we couldn’t do the same. Brady was running hard and picked up a few firsts on first down. But we didn’t stick with the run. We ended up in 2nd and long all night. Which left both QBs struggling to keep drives going. The secondary was shredded early and often, though the front played its best game of the year. The secondary, was also as soft as I’ve seen it in years. No one wants to hit, no one wants to form tackle, no gang tackling. Seems like we finally rotated the ends more, and when we had Lawson/adams in with person, we got pressure pretty regularly. Vaughters had his best game, Wj too. But our blitz scheme worked a lot better as well. Jones had a big night behind the line and made a great hit on a wr coming way way back to get into a play down field. Bridges was taken out with no injury report, or visible on field injury. Sounds like Jy finally pulled his ass for vaval. Who was still playing too deep but tackled a bit better and wasn’t getting stomped over the top. The Argos size at wr loomed large over our dbs all night. Griffin is the only guy who played with a bit of grit back there. Holms never been physical but now every one else has sunk to that level and lower. Parker couldn’t keep his feet all night and continues to struggle to get over on any deep guy. The experiment with him at S should be over. ol early was giving up a good bit of pressure and hits. Good gaps on one play then nothing the next. Rando was lost and whipped a few times. Neuf and kola struggled especially kola of course. Wallace was solid and it was probably vanterpools best game at T. Not good enough yet but improvement. Janarion Grant throw a pass on the first drive and it went for 40 and change. Zach didn’t surpass that till the final 3 minutes of the half. He hit one good pass for 40+. The rest of his play was junk. The start was a hot mess for every one, but after a bad luck bounce pick he spiraled and threw a bad pick again. Zach didn’t come out at half until after our first drive started, and then didn’t have gear on. No word on the injury, he did take a couple hard hits, but he was bad from the get go. Strevy was significantly better, I think it would’ve been a close game if he started and played the whole night. Hogans game plan wasn’t nearly good enough across the board. We had a couple decent wrinkles late but it was vs prevent. We don’t go hurry up till like 2 minutes in the game remaining. If we had gone to it with 5, we could’ve made it close. Strevy moved around well, threw on the run well, threw some nice passes and a couple not great locations. The wr core was brutal. Demski got banged up late and Corcoran looks decent, good hands decent routes. But aside from the one big pass, the Argos kept our WRs in front of them all night with ease. Sterns played decent but was being fed the ball a lot and could’ve done more. Both kr struggled a lot especially vaval, but no one was going any place fast. Sheahan had another solid night punting, hasn’t shanked in a while. He ran a fake and sidelined out trying to dive and reach but was way too late. It was a pretty bad punt fake for a guy who’s supposed to be an athlete.