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Discarded in lieu of the old guard

Bang on. We had soo much talent at lber in camp. Not playing any of those guys is aggravating as all hell.

Injuries take there toll....and Tre Thomas was just making plays...all over the field...and in training camp...alas we let him walk as opposed to giving him a chance...or at the least earn his chops on the PR...but we have 2 extra DB's currently there..as well as an extra on roster...seems excessive in one position...minimal in the other...

Personally I think Kyrie Wilson is someone we can and should have improved on. Appreciate his prime. But he's past it.

It also lost us a Grey Cup

I'm late to posting today but count me in as frustrated by our lineup choices for tomorrow, the overall roster and the use of the PR. At what point is there a rif between MOS and Walters? At what point does Wade see the bottom line being impacted and step in?

Finally...another convert in seeing the light...and how our HC isn't all that and then some

Yes...it also says 21 Nationals.. one of which to be a nationalized American....regardless how you disect it...we aren't doing it....and it denies us the ability to have an extra import on the roster...as well as use the mationalized import for Canadian reps...which is just plain stupidity...arrogance...or whatever you wanna call it. Being the only team not doing it says volumes...just like starting an American FB who you have to waste a DI spot on ...the only team to make that pointless...and idiotic move...actually in the history of the game...says even more

Mci had one carry but yes. If he was any more upright in that run he could’ve dunked lol.

Nailed it

Well sure but the point is about how we could get more strong American players starting on offence and defence - we are essentially giving up 2.5 American starters by starting 9 Canadians and ignoring the Nationalized American rule. We could get Adams on the field full time, more Brian Cole, and start an American RB just by using the rules available to us. And there's no downside!

Rosery is a great example of the lack of preparation here. Guy who got the most reps in pre-season games at tailback. Plays well. Gets cut. Chris-Ike likely will need to play some tailback tomorrow and no reps for him. We bring in a guy who wasn't in anyone's camp to chase kicks and maybe play some fullback. Watch him get injured tomorrow. All these guys busted up coming out of camp....so we didn't go hard to get ready for the season, and we have a half dozen guys on the 6 game. They really need to do some thinking on how to run an effective training camp. I expect a loss this week. Ottawa's season and home opener. We are still the franchise with the target on our backs. No one is having a let down against us.

Or ya know... just play Eli there...

We could have a core 6 of nationals: Demski, Wolitarsky, Neufeld, Kolankowski, Dobson, Stanley Bryant (nationalized) Then you use Kramdi as a starter on defence but name him a designated national, meaning he can be replaced by a nationalized American for 25 plays. Name Kyrie Wilson a Designated Nationalized American and he is able to come in for those 25 plays. When Kramdi is in, B.Cole plays WLB, but when Kramdi comes out, Cole shifts over to SLB and Wilson plays WLB. That makes seven national starters with one being able to be replaced for 25 plays a game. So you need one more national starter. This could either be Ford at CB which allows you to start an American at RB, or you could use Augustine at RB, allowing you to start an American at corner. In either case you have four Americans starting on the DL. The roster really could be quite a bit better without even changing who is dressed, or by adding one stud American RB (if we bothered to bring one in). We could even decide to pull out Kolankowski and start an American C if we really wanted to, without much issue.

Truth to that for sure. But even last year we had guys that have succeeded here on teams. Another is that tackling is a direct result of discipline and coaching. Walter’s, goveia, McManus, and ringmaiden.

And talking about special teams........Mitchell being the returner in Ottawa doesn't thrill me....I hope he at least secures the ball and doesn't give RB'S a freebee in our end and does more than usual ' go for five and flop'...It irks the hell out of me knowing there's competent returner(s) out there and we're not making an attempt to bring anyone else in ....

The old adage is that special teams are a sign of your depth... well I'd agree. Our depth has taken a massive hit the last few years for a variety of reasons and teams have been poor. Not a coincidence in my opinion.

“It’s the process” Except it’s not. The (16-21) successes resulted from Walters bringing in high level FA’s, not building ground-up with the same guys. The Jesse Briggs of the world alone get you the same results as the 14/15 teams had. Medlock, Dressler, Harris, Willie ect were all-stars before they got here. Walters doesn’t get enough credit for the cups and MOS gets too much. There, I said it.

Look again the word is MAY not MUST. https://www.cfl.ca/game-rule-ratio/#:~:text=One Nationalized American player may,of the eight National starters.&text=A Club must start at,may be a Nationalized American.

Wilson has caught every pass thrown his way in every game he's played so far, throw him more passes and you may see why they chose him over Wheatfall.

Ayer’s wasn’t a heart of our sts by any means though. Woods, was a key performer in our front though. I know mos and maybe the whole mafia view teams as important as O and D, despite yielding piss poor teams for two years that only got worse with grant being the only bright spot, but it isn’t. Teams play, is not as important as line play. We acknowledge this by carrying two back up ol who only play heavy set and do nothing else. Not even the defensive side of heavy. They don’t rotate they don’t play unless some one is hurt. But we’ll roll 6 dl, despite rotating those guys and asking them to play on every short yardage pack other than offensive goal line. Oline isn’t more important that DL. It’s harder to find and develop those especially since it’s the ratio strong hold, but defense wins ships. Acceptable mediocrity and self importance. We do it smarter it’s ok that we are worse at it.

Then why have special teams sucked last year and game 1 this year?

And lost us 2 grey cups. Is the goal to win 14 games or grey cups? No ones pushing the panic button here, people are saying wade and or Walter’s should intervene before it gets any worse. If you think this is panic mode, we better not lose this week, or the next home game. You’ll see panic mode from the average fans, and an attendance dip, and our team getting booed off the field. Also cost us any hope of improving through the tc pre season process this year and last year.

If you look at all those LB's you already know they form the heart of O'Shea's ST and always have, a team which he is trying to rebuild and also provide rookie STC Mike Miller all the tools he needs to do so. Some of these LB's have no other purpose at this point but to serve Mike Miller.

How is it not true? That's exactly what happened. No one is arguing that it was the only choice, just that it is what happened.