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When has Eli ever been put in at centre? And if he's awful why is he here? Kolankowski is a bottom teir starter on this team, should be a priority to replace rather than untouchable. As for neufeld, why threatened? Old, often injured or playing injured....

I liked buck for the most part, just last year he seemed to get stupid, but that might also have been collaros problems.

Yea...I think you could say that about every football forum ever in any pro league. An OC has never been good enough even when they clearly have been. That being said, I am not a huge Hogan fan right now. Sometimes a football forum does have a valid reason for criticism. That being said, Walters didn't give the coaching staff much to work with in the passing game.

has there ever been a Bomber OC that MBB liked? Looking at the recent OCs... Marcel Bellefeuille -- emergency scrap heap guy, best of many bad options at the time who somehow hung on too long Lapo -- too cerebral, no killer instinct, bad playcaller Buck -- ruined Streveler, predictable playcaller. Hogan -- worse than Buck. offence starts hot and ends cold. can't make adjustments. seen wearing backwards hat and sunglasses. seriously, I don't think I can recall an OC who was good enough for this board.

I can agree that it's not one or the other, both management and coaching staff are not performing well. My point is that at the end of the day, talent level is a GMs job not a HCs. How that talent performs on the field is coaching. We have a talent defiiciency for sure, and the talent we do have is not performing up to snuff...or at least to the level we now demand as an organization. Top teams stay top teams by demanding excellence and we are not getting it from Walters on down to the players on the PR.

nobody is off the hook...been a major crap show since January...no foresight....real plan...no forward thinking....zero succession in place for most part anywhere...lot of hopium tho Walter's tho is the guy with say in releasing him...who knows if Osh fought it and still wanted him around or not...I tend to think he probably did based on Osh history with players and his reluctance to even bench a guy....let alone admit as soon as it apparent a guy is not good enough. Doesn't want to appear as if he wrong or made a mistake....and will keep pounding square pegs into round holes over and over and over....history shows us this Is it an ego thing?...who knows....but it's a serious flaw None the less....the success and the flops and shitshow stuff is a collective of Walters and his team....and Osh and his....and of late...been more flopping and shittin round here....have they ran their course...an epic failure this yr to me says yes and change in order....this cant continue and be allowed to fester

Strev

Eli might be good enough, but he certainly hasn't earned any opportunity with his play thus far. If he wants the job, and this is the biggest problem with Eli, he has to perform. The guy has all the talent in the world but plays half arsed when he gets into the lineup. That is not even debateable. Any time we have called his number he doesn't show up to play at the level he probably can. Problem with Eli isn't talent level, it's effort level. If he wants the job, he needs to demonstrate that he will bring it.

I'm not going to argue that he should have been sat earlier, or that our coaching could use improvement, but a call down to the sideline? Nope not buying it for one second. I'm not going to let Walters off the hook just as you won't let Osh off the hook. IMO, Walters is the worst of the underperformers. Guy has had a terrible last 2 seasons in the job.

I agree Booch, Kolo seems to be a good guy - but he needs to be challenged - whether by Eli, or Vibert, or someone else. Accountability.

step one....actually put Eli there and give him several games....and if he is no better....batter up until you find the right guy

We could try Vibert - he is a centre - put him on as a backup - and give him some opportunity.

well if it was all you say....took friggin long enough...so who knows.....and a call doen to the sideline could have happened...and yes...it does...seen it first hand None the less....I have minimal faith in the staff to consistently do right thing or make right decisions until proven otherwise....and thats based on what we have all seen....putrid coaching in a lot of areas...instances.... exactly...if it took dear leader that long to see it....then yeah he isnt the best and actually seeing what the issue is....after game 4 he should have been parked....not game 8

well...Hardrick...Desjarlais...Couture...Chungh....Dobson basically all left for more money.....(Goosen retired so Couture stepped in) ....We have turned over some guys indeed but not really by choice...we figured they were not worth the cost and didn't really have a lot left in the cupboard as it slowly eroded away....so to say we swapped a ton based on seeing Guy B is better than Guy A...isnt necessarily true Even the tackle in MTL who has played well for them we let go....Kolo has sucked for a while now....But Osh thjinks he's just great...Same with Thomas....we have guys who can replace them, as starters...even punt off the roster....but nope Yeah...Neuf is solid....not sure why many here think he's a weak spot.....compensating for a weak center thjo will affect both guards Eli is more than good enough....kinda funny people think he not...when have we seen him given the center spot and run with it for a period of 3..4 games....never......Kolo was grabbed off scrap heap languishing there for 2 yrs...nobody wanted him...we grabbed him as a deep depth piece and an injury got him in the lineup...Osh likes sub par Canadian players and will keep them in lineup for whatever his reason/agenda is....but our lie started to falter ever since...and since he has gotten older and skills (what minimal ones he had) erode even more...we are looking worse and worse agreed ....

Neufeld and all big men occasionally look like they are done for by the 4th Q. Did you have a problem with his play? I agree that at the moment we could use another NAT OL for our PR. Fact of the matter is that we are almost certainly not going to find a NAT OL that is nearly as good as Neufeld either internally or externally. That needed to be done in the offseason. It is not a case of a coach being loyal to a fault to a veteran when the veteran is by far and away the best option.

Rankin

Neufeld looked worn out by the 4th qtr, Eli isnt good enough to rotate in regularly, we need another olineman, Ratio becomes a factor with Logan and Woods also seeming ready to return

Why would Neufeld feel threatened? He has been a stud for us. Who should replace Kolankowski? Eli? He has been awful when we have put him in. I get that our OL is not good enough right now, but changing out players for weaker players just to try something almost never works out.

The guy was benched and then released. PERIOD. To say that it was Walters that made that decision is nonsense.

Guy had 1/3 of a season to prove what everyone else already knew, that he wasn't good enough, before he was demoted and released... let's not pretend it reflects on the coaches in some positive light here.

Mostly through injury or departure though... kolankowski was purely an injury fill in and he had never once been in danger of being pulled out. Neufeld can be injured all training camp and never feel pressure to lose his spot...

Yes, because we have never let young OL get into our starting lineup. I mean c'mon...you guys are laying it on a bit thick. We have swapped out a ton of guys on our OL over the years.

That's nonsense. It was the coaches who sat him out prior to his release. It was the coaches that forced him to the PR. At least give credit where credit is due instead of coming out with some narrative to explain away one of there better moves. You are showing your bias.

When it comes to Chad Kelly I think it’s more who cares?

well sometimes even when I do, you do have an idea how fast a post rate or response rate is on the Bomber Game Day threads right? sometimes the next page can appear pretty quickly