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2001-2008.... "...they've met...."

Meant to post this last night 😀 Trey Vaval, so sorry!

I wonder how many years their playing careers overlapped?

OL will get better, assuming big Stan is not out for the season. First game, they were a strength. Also, TO has weaknesses but they are not on the DL.

Yup...Person addition...Griffin addition and the reworking of Kramdi and Parker..J.Jones added to LB mix made a huge difference and allowed players like WJ..Vaughters...T.Jones..Nichols..Holm and Adams to really benefit....Kelly back as well was a plus...I think we gonna be okay on defense...couple lil adjustments...figure out the one db spot...minimize or eliminate Thomas and play that more aggressive attack style like we did save for that 3rd quarter fall back to our old scheme and we can real good...gonna need them I think offensively we screwed for the yr and we gonna have to scratch and claw and win ugly for any chance of wins...Reciever is a joke...oline is in shambles...OC is I think way over his head and not helping In hindsight maybe it was best we cut bait with Kolo...Thomas...Kramdi and used that 450k toward Dobson and Lawler...Give Eli and or Wallace every chance to play center...people like to say Eli has never took the job...but was never offered either...u start him 18 games...he'd be more than fine...and or we drafted a center or targeted one in FA...the season trajectory would look way different for sure...

When you are losing the coach and GM deserve to be on the hot seat. Brown putting him on it isn't a dislike of MOS, that's his job. Wanna get off the hot seat...win.

I acknowledge that this is happening as well. No doubt about out it. You look at who won us the game last night and it was young guys like Vaval that did it.

But also on the flip....hold on to guys past their usefulness....or better days....and dont reload on the fly unless forced due to injury and defections.....Thats not on the Scout nd G.M cause guys were cut...TC here is short...and for most part even ineffective so sometimes you just gotta make the moves....other teams do I agree tho....we lost some good scouting avenues...and sadly one the better up and comers we had who went unheralded left due to why bother doing it here when your work just gets discarded for trash coach's fav's We relied too much on elite talent in their prime and not reloading when we could have with depth to push and challenge...or even take over and have the vet as depth...looked backward too much at past success and not forward....and we all know in football a guy can fall off the ledge in no time....especially once the clock turns over 30...32 yrs

Doug Brown has also been there...seen it...and I sure talks to guys....so he's not talking Cause he see's a lot of the things averge fan is oblivious to, and also knows Osh plays fav's....has bias....and is poor at structuring a roster....he's not alone

No...what came to pass is that our skill level was vastly reduced. Roster management is an issue that was minor when our GM and scouts doing their job. Now it is a bigger issue because we don't have the talent to overcome these coaching quirks

And any rookie receiver who comes up...especially slot i...and any HB is playing a position they basically never have either...and it's a non issue Cooley on to be used as a back....and in 2 back sets....or a motion guy makes total sense...any skill position guy coming into the league could...and should be able to do it...or taught it, and if they can't...then why the hell they even on the roster, and what are our positional coaches and co-ords doing? Punt returning is a knack and yes not anyone can just do it and Cooley wasnt out there for punts,,,thank god...Kick-offs tho are fairly straight forward and easy...so either they nevcer had him practice it...which is likely as we never practiced all week, so the smart coaching would have just left MCI back there who has not been an issue...or put proven Cobb back there...just another case of our brain numb coaching that is hurting us more than helping a lot of times and we win in spite of it Having Cooley on, and not using him at all on offence was pointless and a waste...Allen on would have made more sense seeing as we got an injury to Parker, and he also showed he can play safety if Kramdi was failing there....also....elephant in room Mitchell...proven KR guy....and receiver....who needs to be given his shot, or we cut bait....just poor coaching and roister management every which way it's looked at

well they officially started the renos (Frosty told me off board)

Kind of like elevating a guy to OC and expecting ongoing positive results without encountering any bumps in the road.

I don't think Brown has ever really gotten along with Osh.

The hilarious part is all the roster hawks a 6 weeks ago with "put Cooley on, have him play receiver, return kicks and punts, he's such a stud." They do it...and...? Turns out tossing guys into the fire to do something they've never done at any level when they are rookie pros isn't a great move. Especially when the role involves securing the football. The "just ******* put this guy here, and this guy there" stuff is mega stupid.

Tait was definitely playing defense during a few segments.

Doug Brown has been more openly critical of the club the past month or so than he has before, I feel. Agree he does sound like a lot of us.

I definitely got that impression... It was more awkward than the pre game show usually is.

I'm hesitant to really sing DL praises until we play an OL that isn't a steaming diaper of a mess.... I think TOs OL might be the only one worse than ours right now...

Yeah...Tate was totalling toeing the alleigience to the coach lol

Speed, and tremendous upper body power. Reminds me a lot of Gavin walls.

Speaking of those two: their pregame opinions and tone, were not that different from this place. I'd say they had Tait squirming, just a bit.

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Yeah you were singing his praises back in September but also had concerns about him getting an opportunity to get in the lineup. Correct on both counts!

Bit of backstory...I work with other trainers/coaches and recruiters prepping guys for combines...free agent tryouts and OTA's and also guys who can't or no longer eligible for NCAA to land in some JUCO programs...anyways was aware of Person...and knew he was a guy on a lot of NFL radars...so when we signed him I touched base with people in my orbit and asked how the hell this happened...I mentioned it before here but a few teams wanted him to be a pass rush specialist but to bulk up...and he didnt want to add the weight and just be situational...so explored his options...I believe we neg listed him and up he came...he really shouldn't be up here but our gain...hope he stays here but if he keeps playing like he is and getting better I can see him getting looks next yr