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26 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

We’re told Brock kissed him on the forehead at that point … then said, “kiss me back, p*ssy.”

Our sources say Jericho didn’t back down though! He actually stepped up and got in Lesnar’s face, ready to fight. But Brock responded, with his arms behind his back, saying “hit me or kiss me, *****” … causing everyone in the area to swarm in and break them apart, including Triple H.
 

Lol, what a ****.

Jericho apparently once got the best of Goldberg in a backstage shoot, but I'm thinking he'd have some (a lot) of trouble with Lesnar.

29 minutes ago, Goalie said:

I dunno. That cut Orton had didn't really look like a blade job. Looked like a legit cut.  Almost 2 big to be a blade job. That 2nd elbow legit caught him tho. Can see it on replay for sure. Got Orton pretty Damn good 

I know, that's kinda what I mean.  It definitely wasn't *only* a blade.  I just think maybe there was a small blade and then Lesnar bashed it a couple times to open it up.

The idea of a blade job and then Brock opening it up with stiff shots would make a lot of sense.  But it sounds like no blade at all.  The finish was meant to be a ref stoppage due to blood and to get the blood, the plan was Brock would elbow Orton and open him up.  Absolutely mind boggling in this day and age.  From what I see when watching it, no blade at all.  Just two stiff elbows.  The way you know its a work is Brock was work punching him, hit the two elbows (which Orton opened up to receive so he knew it was coming) and then more worked punches.

Like you guys said, in the concussion era, to do that, is really unbelievable.  I appreciate Orton's toughness.  But he could have been serious injured.

WWE is very anti-blade because the general public gets squeamish over it.  But man, if you want blood (and blood is GREAT when used right), bring back the blade.  Blading is safe and effective.  Cracking a guys skull until it explodes is effective but not at all safe.

Although there are a huge amount of fans who believe Brock went "off script" so thats amusing and effectively rehabs Brock into a badass.  But the idea he might do a match with Shane is laughingly bad.

Jericho did get into a fight with Goldberg that he got the better of.  But it was brief.  Goldberg charged him, Jericho put him in a front facelock and wouldnt let go until it was broken up so it wasnt a real fist-throwing fight.  I personally think Jericho was completely out of line with what he did at Summerslam but some think he was being a courageous leader.  Meh.

So, I just got back from Las Vegas yesterday.  On Friday we went to Sam's Town Casino to watch the Ring of Honor PPV and on Saturday to watch their TV tapings.  My first ROH events live.  We had front row seats to both shows (to the immediate right of the stage/ramp).

I had a great time and found the events very well produced and well worked.  Some very good talent.  There are things I'd change if I was in production, such as too much spitting. 

Crowd was full for PPV (probably 500, so it was a nice intimate audience) and quite rowdy.  Camera guy had to tell one fan to stop giving the middle finger and another to change his shirt (his shirt said F*ck You).

Great seeing some of the Japanese stars like Tanahashi and Okada (The IWGP World Champion).  I managed to secure an unopened pack of OkadaBucks (the fake money they hand out to ringside fans to throw at Okada since he's the "Rainmaker").  Okada worked Dalton Castle who has a great schtick.

I exchanged messages with Dalton a few months ago about coming in so I saw him after the show on Saturday and mentioned I had spoken to him about coming to Winnipeg and he said "thats Kenny's home promotion right?"  I later ran into Christopher Daniels and he said nice to meet you and I said well actually you came up to your promotion in Winnipeg in 2005 and he said "Oh yeah, i worked with Kenny, right?" 

Cool moment was running into Kevin Sullivan in the casino and exchanging pleasantries.  Buddy and I walked off saying man, thats cool to meet a legend like Sullivan...wait, why didnt we get a pic??!! 

We had made custom shirts.  While at the marathon Bombers game a couple weeks back I had a brainstorm to hijack Jericho's phrase of "Im from Winnipeg, you idiot" and make a shirt with Corino, Jericho, Omega and "Me" on it with the phrase "We're from Winnipeg, you idiots".  Well I sent the idea to my graphics guy who made a tremendous professional looking logo that has elements of the Jets logo and the Winnipeg skyline with the Golden Boy and the names on the back.

After TV on Saturday, Buddy really wanted to get a photo with Steve Corino and the shirts.  We thought we had missed him as we waited for awhile.  The buddy was bugging me to just call Steve but I didnt want to bug him (plus I had his phone number in my old phone).  I also didnt want to try and big league anyone by going to the Locker Room and dropping names.  Not my style.  So we hung out with some fans (some girls from Calgary wanted pics with us wearing the shirts) and met some of the other boys.

Finally Steve comes out.  But there were three other people waiting, two of whom said they "knew Steve really well and were going to hang out with him".  Steve sort of brushes them off, sees me and comes over.  Says he has to find his wife since the post-TV production meeting ran long.  He said Ill come find you guys.  Well, thats a classic brush off move.  A few minutes later a fan comes around the corner and says "which one is Andrew?"  Me, I say.  "Steve wants me to take you to him"...Godfather style.  Turns out, I assume, he didnt want to hang out with those other guys...lol  So this kid takes us to Steve, his wife, Adam Cole and a couple others having drinks in the Atrium.  We chatted for a bit, talked about Kenny and G1, talked about coming back to Winnipeg, got some pics and went on our way.  We actually ran into Steve and his wife on the strip the next day too.

All in all, a great time at ROH.  PPV was better.  TV is longer and has more breaks and more talking but sets up more angles.  Saw the ROH World Championship change hands on the PPV (Adam Cole defeated Jay Lethal) so that was cool.  And Sam's Town was actually pretty nice.

Might do it again next year if ROH does Vegas during the summer months. 

I will also say Vegas as a whole was a lot of fun.  I was last there in 2011 and when people say its more expensive and more corporate, they are right.  Virtually ZERO Vegas style (comp) drinks.  I assume its better at the high roller areas but it used to be good for everyone.  Only once on the strip (at MGM) did we get asked if we wanted a drink while playing VLT's.  At Sam's Town, we got asked much more often.

Non-comp drinks are also quite expensive.  But there are a lot of corner stores with 2 Kingcans for $10 type of deals.  On Freemont, they had signs posted that drinking the beer from the store on Freemont was a fineable offense but we had plastic drafts cups so we (and everyone else) poured them in.  Made it a much cheaper evening.

Met more hookers on this trip than my prior two trips.  All very nice.  For fun I asked what it would cost us and she said $400 each (there were two of them).  My buddy drunkingly replied "noooo, thats too much.  Im married".

Did the High Roller (ferris wheel).  It was actually really cool, amazing views.  And their service is outstanding.  We had the open bar and the guy was free pouring and used all quality booze.  Started everyone with a shot of Patron.  Then served us very very strong Jack & Coke for the 30 minutes we were there.  Like to the point I considered telling him to lighten up on the Jack. 

Lost every dollar I put in the machines (except the $15 cash out I forgot I had and brought back with me).  Found The Flintstones game on the last night and its a lot of fun.  Highly recommended.  New York New York (our hotel) was great.

Long story short, I've never been a huge ROH fan but they really did a great job last week and I'd go again. 

And Kevin Owens is your new Universal Champion in an intriguing angle where Hunter pedigreed Roman so Seth could pin him then pedigreed Seth so Owens could pin him.

foley and Steph looked on shocked 

interesting!

Ya. Raw just got a lot more interesting for sure. I personally loved the end of raw and being a long time "smart" fan... the moment hhh pedigreed reigns I knew he was gonna do the same to Rollins. I like it tho. Lots of interesting scenarios here. Owens and Hhh fan Favorites now? Could it be the start of a stable of sorts with nxt guys or hhh guys? Dunno but I liked it

5 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Ya. Raw just got a lot more interesting for sure. I personally loved the end of raw and being a long time "smart" fan... the moment hhh pedigreed reigns I knew he was gonna do the same to Rollins. I like it tho. Lots of interesting scenarios here. Owens and Hhh fan Favorites now? Could it be the start of a stable of sorts with nxt guys or hhh guys? Dunno but I liked it

I sort of assumed it was a babyface turn for Seth (its not the right way to turn someone face but Hunter has done the exact same thing before, beating up Orton to turn him face).  Seth technically wasnt NXT so they could make it an angle that Seth dropped the ball and Hunter turned to his NXT protoge to right the ship.  But either way, yes, definitely interesting for a change.

And Bryan/Miz thing from Smackdown is interesting too because the only suitable outcome is Bryan returning to the ring...

58 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Ya. Raw just got a lot more interesting for sure. I personally loved the end of raw and being a long time "smart" fan... the moment hhh pedigreed reigns I knew he was gonna do the same to Rollins. I like it tho. Lots of interesting scenarios here. Owens and Hhh fan Favorites now? Could it be the start of a stable of sorts with nxt guys or hhh guys? Dunno but I liked it

I thought Jericho was going to run in and beat up Triple H and thus letting KO win the title.  Shows what I know 

For me, that was a cool and unexpected ending.  I'd like to see a Seth/KO feud and let Roman get back to Rusev, that angle isn't finished IMO.

And what becomes of Sami Zayn?  He's too good to fall by the wayside now.  He should be on Smackdown fighting for one of those titles!

It's odd. I've been reading that the plan is for a Seth Owens feud and for Owens to remain a heel but for Rollins to turn face leading to a hhh Rollins match at Mania. I don't think that works tho because I think the fans will cheer hhh and cheer Owens. I don't think Stephanie can be a face tho. I dunno.

13 minutes ago, Goalie said:

It's odd. I've been reading that the plan is for a Seth Owens feud and for Owens to remain a heel but for Rollins to turn face leading to a hhh Rollins match at Mania. I don't think that works tho because I think the fans will cheer hhh and cheer Owens. I don't think Stephanie can be a face tho. I dunno.

The plan had been Finn vs Owens at the next PPV for the Universal Championship so Owens was getting a push.  Vince must have been the subject of an intervention or something.  Rollins face seems to make sense.  But Hunter as an NXT-leading face works too but he prefers to be heel.  However, the dynamic doesnt work when he's heel on RAW and face in NXT since he insists on blowing smoke up his own ass on those takeover specials.

Hunter vs Rollins was the original plan for this past WM.  Steph is the single worst character in wrestling.  Regardless of whether she is a face or heel, she eats up everyone she works with. 

RAW saw strong ratings improvement with fans clearly interested in the Universal Championship match and stuck with the show from beginning to end.

8 p.m. 3.39 million viewers
9 p.m. 3.44 million viewers
10 p.m. 3.41 million viewers

Funny how advertising a big match a week in advance and promoting it can have a positive impact.  Its something WWE just doesnt do anymore.  Hopefully they begin to more often now.

I think part of the problem with Steph is that we rarely see her get beat up.  Vince McMahon, Shane McMahon and Triple H take bumps but Steph is a woman so she can't really...  She should stick to the Women's division so those women can slap her around a little bit.  Vince's authority character worked so well because he was a total ******* and then he would get stunnered.  Whereas Steph can be a huge ***** and then she basically just struts off every time.

That's 100% it. But even in the women's division she wasn't showing ass as they say. Sure she did for Brie I guess, the most over woman at the time. 

The problem is she has no purpose on the show but they have to write segments for her every week and if you know what's good for you the segment is her looking strong. I mean, Heyman should have dressed her down using his insurance policy of Brock as the reason. When she said I bought ecw years ago I was dying for Paul to say "yeah and where is it now". She's awful. 

Vince showed ass for every face he worked with in the 90's. Hunter is like Steph. Chews the balls off his baby faces. 

Mick's on his way out. Hunter's decided to come back so in a few months Foley will be thrown under the bus. Raw will become unwatchable again with those 2 running things like before.

I don't know what to say about this video but it's wrestling related and it's Kliff Kingsbury:

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2016/0906/617252/lita-said-last-night-raw-went-off-the-rails/

5 hours ago, Atomic said:

I don't know what to say about this video but it's wrestling related and it's Kliff Kingsbury:

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2016/0906/617252/lita-said-last-night-raw-went-off-the-rails/

I find Lita's tweet also included in your link to be more interesting.  

Russo also went nuts over RAW. I think he felt they were criticizing him with the anti bra & panties talk. 

Del Rio is officially gone from WWE as both sides have confirmed it.  Del Rio supposedly having a presser in Mexico City today to explain details.

Rumors have it Paige has quit WWE and hired lawyers.  I believe she's under contract until 2020 so it will be interesting.  The main point of contention is a rumor Talent Relations came to her and told her to break up with Del Rio or she'd be fired. 

 

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Del Rio is officially gone from WWE as both sides have confirmed it.  Del Rio supposedly having a presser in Mexico City today to explain details.

Rumors have it Paige has quit WWE and hired lawyers.  I believe she's under contract until 2020 so it will be interesting.  The main point of contention is a rumor Talent Relations came to her and told her to break up with Del Rio or she'd be fired. 

 

Such a weird situation.  WWE is so messed up in the way they treat their talent.

I sympathize with them in that they are trying to protect Paige, which is admirable, but to try to break up the relationship is not the right way to go about it.

Of course we don't know the exact details of what was going on in regards to ADR partying too much.  "Partying" can mean a lot of things.

Hate to see Paige go, she is one of their best.  Of course she is young enough that she will make the big return one day, if she is actually leaving.  I think every superstar should take some extended time off... they tend to come back as bigger stars than they were when they left.

Paige seems like a mess. She got involved with a married man. That's not good. Might be to young to understand the consequences.  It sounds like she won't be missed that much 

1 minute ago, Goalie said:

Paige seems like a mess. She got involved with a married man. That's not good. Might be to young to understand the consequences.  It sounds like she won't be missed that much 

Nah, he was separated,  She is young though.  But sometimes it works out. 

It's been a great weekend of football but now it's time for some rassling courtesy of Smackdown Backlash.  Predictions:

Usos win the Tag titles.

Alexa Bliss (my new favourite) wins the Women's title.

The Miz retains the Intercontinental.

and......

AJ Styles new world champion!

Spoiler Alert

 

 

 

 

Slater and Rhino win the tag titles!  Amazing!!!

Edited September 12, 20169 yr by Atomic

Actually a pretty entertaining PPV, better than I was expecting to be honest

What a change in fortune for Styles. Best all around performer in the world. He should keep the title until WM (and lose it to Cena for his record tying 16th reign). 

7 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

What a change in fortune for Styles. Best all around performer in the world. He should keep the title until WM (and lose it to Cena for his record tying 16th reign). 

I wonder if Randy Orton will get involved in the title chase at some point.  I would not mind a Styles vs Orton feud.

There really aren't that many guys on Smackdown worthy of feuding for the title.  Ambrose, Styles, Orton, Cena.  Wyatt and Ziggler are fringe.

Ziggler is tied up with the Miz for the foreseeable future.  God I love The Miz with Maryse.  She gets Ziggler with the old perfume/mace to the eyes for The Miz win.  Classic!!