What should we do with them?

Is signing them to a bad contract worse than not signing either and losing them for nothing?

What term and how much should they be paid?

If we sign only one, which should it be?

If we trade one, what should we be looking to get back?? A LHD??

 

Buff  AAV - 5.2m   Actual salary - 6m

Ladd AAV - 4.4m  Actual salary - 4.5m

 

I'd like to see them both signed but I think Ladd is easier to replace; however, what does trading do or say to your team?

Neither should get more than a 6 year term in my opinion.

I wouldn't go higher than 6.25 for Ladd or 7 for Buff.

Trade Buff at the deadline for a 1st round and a prospect... then sign him on July 1st

Pens blogger with discussing recent speculation from Dreger (and others) that they are working hard to make a trade but it must be "dollar in, dollar out"

 

If it is going to be a dollar in and dollar out trade you are talking about players like Patric Hornqvist, Chris Kunitz, David Perron, and Rob Scuderi. It goes without saying that each of those players carries a different value on the trade market and one of them has negative value.

Dupuis’ “retirement” does change the landscape of what the Penguins can do. Freeing up 3.75M of cap space is significant. For right or wrong players like Dustin Byfuglien can now enter the conversation as a trade target for Pittsburgh.

 

Im not sure I find any of the four mentioned to be overly exciting.  I wouldnt be against Kunitz but he still has a year left.  Although he fills a weaker position for us (LW).  I like Patric but he's got two years left.  So no dice.  I'd like the Pens #1 draft pick and a prospect...but if they want us to take back salary...I dont see it.

Pens blogger with discussing recent speculation from Dreger (and others) that they are working hard to make a trade but it must be "dollar in, dollar out"

 

If it is going to be a dollar in and dollar out trade you are talking about players like Patric Hornqvist, Chris Kunitz, David Perron, and Rob Scuderi. It goes without saying that each of those players carries a different value on the trade market and one of them has negative value.

Dupuis’ “retirement” does change the landscape of what the Penguins can do. Freeing up 3.75M of cap space is significant. For right or wrong players like Dustin Byfuglien can now enter the conversation as a trade target for Pittsburgh.

 

Im not sure I find any of the four mentioned to be overly exciting.  I wouldnt be against Kunitz but he still has a year left.  Although he fills a weaker position for us (LW).  I like Patric but he's got two years left.  So no dice.  I'd like the Pens #1 draft pick and a prospect...but if they want us to take back salary...I dont see it.

Pens don't have a #1 pick this year. Went to TO for Kessel. They're pretty much out of prospects and picks to trade. Sprong, Pouliot, & Murray are their last three (imo) top notch prospects. They'd be crazy to deal any of them for another rental.

 

Buff would be a perfect fit for the Pens, but what would it take to make that trade? Kunitz is finished as a top end player. Perron is meh and taking Scuderi would be doing a favour for the Pens. Hornqvist is a good player having a down year.

Pens are a mess. They will need to part with Malkin or Crosby to reload. Otherwise they won't win another cup until they go through a full rebuild after those guys are done.

Pens are a mess. They will need to part with Malkin or Crosby to reload. Otherwise they won't win another cup until they go through a full rebuild after those guys are done.

Throw in Stuart and Burmistrov and we should get both!

You know considering that both players can still score well, are they sure they want to consider trading?

Starting to think Ladd is more easily replaced than Buff.

Package him in a deal for Nugent-Hopkins.

Starting to think Ladd is more easily replaced than Buff.

Package him in a deal for Nugent-Hopkins.

they wouldn't give up any of their guys even if we threw in Wheeler

Starting to think Ladd is more easily replaced than Buff.

Package him in a deal for Nugent-Hopkins.

they wouldn't give up any of their guys even if we threw in Wheeler

They are looking for more bump and grind type of players up front, perception is they are too "soft". Draistl, Hall and McDavid are their future in their minds.

They have been rumored to be open to moving RNH or Eberle in order to more grit.

Ladd would be perfect for them, gritty forward with skill and a leader/mentor type for the younger players.

The problem with RNH or Eberle is they make 6 million a year. That would make them the highest paid jets. LW is an issue for us. Sign Ladd and trade buff for a first and A almost ready LHD prospect

We have a LHD prospect. Morrisey

Lol. 1 of them. Toby isn't getting younger and Chiarot and Stuart are not good

We have 1 legit LHD man and that's Toby who isn't getting any younger. We have 3 rhd men in myers trouba and buff. Trade buff for a LHD and 1st.

Morrissey isn't ready yet. Probably needs another year with the moose

Stuart is the rugged D-type you need. Chiarot is going to get better, this is only his second year.

Brendon Kitchon is young and is a decent prospect.

I read somewhere about Eberle and RNH salaries and they are definitely not making $6-mil a year.

Lawless reports Buff's people and the Jets are talking which is a new development. Interesting....

Stuart is the rugged D-type you need. Chiarot is going to get better, this is only his second year.

Brendon Kitchon is young and is a decent prospect.

I read somewhere about Eberle and RNH salaries and they are definitely not making $6-mil a year.

Rugged is fine but Stuart is a liability.

Kichton will not play many (if any) games for the Jets.

Eberle and RNH both make 6m a year and their cap hit is 6m a year.

 

Leave Morrissey with the Moose until he is ready....rushing him isn't doing anyone any good.

 

I'd rather see them sign Buff and trade Myers and Ladd but I don't think that will happen.

Seeing some "rumors" that Ladd contract extension is being finalized.  Take with huge grain of salt.

Seeing some "rumors" that Ladd contract extension is being finalized.  Take with huge grain of salt.

In an open wound!

Seeing some "rumors" that Ladd contract extension is being finalized. Take with huge grain of salt.

It's not true. All someone said is they have agreed on the length (6 years) but they ain't there on the cash

 

Seeing some "rumors" that Ladd contract extension is being finalized. Take with huge grain of salt.

It's not true. All someone said is they have agreed on the length (6 years) but they ain't there on the cash

 

Thats an old one.  Not the one I heard today.  Like I said, big grain of salt.  But if they announce in the next day or so, Ill take the credit.  if they dont, Ill deny I ever posted this.  \

 

Just saw a story on The Score (which is not where I heard this).  Sides are $500,000 or so apart.  They'll get there.  So back to square one with the idea they want Ladd, will move Buff.

Stuart is the rugged D-type you need. Chiarot is going to get better, this is only his second year.

Brendon Kitchon is young and is a decent prospect.

I read somewhere about Eberle and RNH salaries and they are definitely not making $6-mil a year.

Rugged is fine but Stuart is a liability.

Kichton will not play many (if any) games for the Jets.

Eberle and RNH both make 6m a year and their cap hit is 6m a year.

Leave Morrissey with the Moose until he is ready....rushing him isn't doing anyone any good.

I'd rather see them sign Buff and trade Myers and Ladd but I don't think that will happen.

Your comments on Stuart are silly. He is a third pairing d-man. What exactly are you expecting from him? Third pairing guys across the league get burned on a nightly basis.

I like Stu.  He's good until someone better comes along.  And hopefully Morrissey pushes him next season.  The problem comes when Stu, Pardy, Chiarot and Postma are playing top 4 minutes.  Any combo of those guys in the bottom two is okay by me.  They are all decent D men of various skill.

 

In fact, I'd be calling the Pens and seeing what they'd give for Postma.  On the other hand, if the jets plan to ditch Buff, they might still think postma has some upward mobility as far as being a puck moving D man.

The problem comes when Stu, Pardy, Chiarot and Postma are playing top 4 minutes.

He's top four when the Jets are down a guy. Maurice loves Stu.

 

 

Stuart is the rugged D-type you need. Chiarot is going to get better, this is only his second year.

Brendon Kitchon is young and is a decent prospect.

I read somewhere about Eberle and RNH salaries and they are definitely not making $6-mil a year.

Rugged is fine but Stuart is a liability.

Kichton will not play many (if any) games for the Jets.

Eberle and RNH both make 6m a year and their cap hit is 6m a year.

Leave Morrissey with the Moose until he is ready....rushing him isn't doing anyone any good.

I'd rather see them sign Buff and trade Myers and Ladd but I don't think that will happen.

Your comments on Stuart are silly. He is a third pairing d-man. What exactly are you expecting from him? Third pairing guys across the league get burned on a nightly basis.

 

My comments on Stuart are silly?

You don't think he is a liability?

You don't think he is rugged?

What am I expecting of him?

Not to be a liability or hopefully be a 6th or 7th on another team!

If you are okay with Stu being an everyday D man, you should set your bar higher.

If he is going to play every game, there is no legitimate reason for him to see more than 9-10 minutes a game at the most. I'd rather Chiarot started than Stuart but we have nobody to replace him.

We need a 1LHD or 2LHD...it is our biggest need now that Helle is playing above average in net.

Myers-Enstrom and Buff-Trouba should play PK......PP too.

Stu should be nowhere near our special teams.

Stuart is the rugged D-type you need. Chiarot is going to get better, this is only his second year.

Brendon Kitchon is young and is a decent prospect.

I read somewhere about Eberle and RNH salaries and they are definitely not making $6-mil a year.

Rugged is fine but Stuart is a liability.

Kichton will not play many (if any) games for the Jets.

Eberle and RNH both make 6m a year and their cap hit is 6m a year.

Leave Morrissey with the Moose until he is ready....rushing him isn't doing anyone any good.

I'd rather see them sign Buff and trade Myers and Ladd but I don't think that will happen.

Your comments on Stuart are silly. He is a third pairing d-man. What exactly are you expecting from him? Third pairing guys across the league get burned on a nightly basis.

My comments on Stuart are silly?

You don't think he is a liability?

You don't think he is rugged?

What am I expecting of him?

Not to be a liability or hopefully be a 6th or 7th on another team!

If you are okay with Stu being an everyday D man, you should set your bar higher.

If he is going to play every game, there is no legitimate reason for him to see more than 9-10 minutes a game at the most. I'd rather Chiarot started than Stuart but we have nobody to replace him.

We need a 1LHD or 2LHD...it is our biggest need now that Helle is playing above average in net.

If you think there are any bottom-pairing D that aren't a liability sometimes then you don't watch NHL hockey and it's really that simple. If you think that Chiarot isn't a liability sometimes then you're just plain blind. Stuart is what he is, a tough, shot-blocking, stay-at-home d-man who fills a bottom pairing role.