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ASK Tim Burke a question and he will always give you a full and honest answer.

 

Thursday afternoon was no different as the Winnipeg Blue Bombers head coach didn't sugar-coat his dismay when he was asked by reporters what he thought of his team losing 24-6 at home Wednesday to a Toronto Argonauts club that had left almost all their starters from last year's Grey Cup champion squad at home.

 

"It is a little bit disconcerting that that happened and that's what I told the guys last night," said Burke, who played most of his starters Wednesday.

 

"I thought that was the disconcerting part -- that we didn't show better against their backups."

 

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 I do like the attitude overall, but he's gotta get the most out of this team or it'll be another new coach and another new GM.

That much is certain

I still fail to understand why we cut our most productive QB from last year and redesigned our offense around one that can't stay healthy and wasn't even as good anyways.

It may have been because Elliott was terrible.

Is a nice patch of asphalt underneath a bus being made for Burke already ?

I still fail to understand why we cut our most productive QB from last year and redesigned our offense around one that can't stay healthy and wasn't even as good anyways.

 

2011? Grey Cup appearance? Swaggity Swag Swag??

Old school crotchety coach doesn't = Lunatic who tries to single-handedly ruin the franchise.

This^. Kelly was a control freak & a nutbar. Burke just says what he thinks.

2011? Grey Cup appearance? Swaggity Swag Swag??

Swaggerville was the worst thing that happened to this team.... No swag now. Those Rolex's aren't from Swizerland. They're knockoffs from Mexico.

2011? Grey Cup appearance? Swaggity Swag Swag??

 

 

That years success was on the back of our defense playing out of their minds IMO

I liked Swaggerville because the players showed some life and energy. Forget not how PUTRID the offense was during swaggerville days and how the defense held us together during those many 2 and outs and bad field position scenarios.

Mike - We cut our best qb because he didn't listen not because of talent.

Buck is a great team player and a great human being. Unfortunately for Burke that does not equate to wins and production from the offense.

I'd be shitting bricks if I was Burke considering in both pre season games every single qb (aside from ours) moved the ball and scored points.

Even in years past with Kelly and Berry we had jobbers like Justin Holland or Richie Williams who could look good in pre season (and then fizzle out once they play against real defenses).

We were playing against back ups and yet still managed to stink the joint up. If we don't score 30+ points in Hamilton then full blown crisis will take over Bomber nation fans.

I'm at least satisfied with knowing that if things don't work out this year... at least next year we can rebuild and criticize a new coach and a new group of players! No more threads on Buck and Jade and our poop o line!

It may have been because Elliott was terrible.

 

So what does that say about Buck? Because Elliott was better than he was last year.

So what does that say about Buck? Because Elliott was better than he was last year.

 

Buck wasn't very good last year but Elliott wasn't better.  He could drive half the field like a champ, unfortunately when he got to the 35 yard line he became absolutely useless.  What good is that??

I still fail to understand why we cut our most productive QB from last year and redesigned our offense around one that can't stay healthy and wasn't even as good anyways.

never mind that the whole idea behind giving extra protection and relying on getting the ball out quicker probably is more suited to Elliott than Pierce to start with! 

Buck wasn't very good last year but Elliott wasn't better.  He could drive half the field like a champ, unfortunately when he got to the 35 yard line he became absolutely useless.  What good is that??

I'd take a guy who can drive the field before getting useless than failing to be able to drive the field at all. Turnovers in the red zone are a lot easier to fix than not being able to string a couple first downs together. 

I'd take a guy who can drive the field before getting useless than failing to be able to drive the field at all. Turnovers in the red zone are a lot easier to fix than not being able to string a couple first downs together. 

 

OK coach, if you say so.  I had no idea redzone turnovers were so easy to fix.  You should tell that to the hundreds of QBs who have failed in the CFL and NFL for that very issue.  If only they had that secret formula that only you seem to possess!

Buck wasn't very good last year but Elliott wasn't better.  He could drive half the field like a champ, unfortunately when he got to the 35 yard line he became absolutely useless.  What good is that??

Don't think Buono picked up Elliott for nothing.  He knows when he sees a good thing.

OK coach, if you say so.  I had no idea redzone turnovers were so easy to fix.  You should tell that to the hundreds of QBs who have failed in the CFL and NFL for that very issue.  If only they had that secret formula that only you seem to possess!

 

He's got a point though.

 

I'd rather turn the ball over on their 15 yard line than punt it down to the 55.

OK coach, if you say so.  I had no idea redzone turnovers were so easy to fix.  You should tell that to the hundreds of QBs who have failed in the CFL and NFL for that very issue.  If only they had that secret formula that only you seem to possess!

The point is, if you're going to turn over the ball, it's better to drill down field and do it in the other team's red zone rather then turn it over in ours.  You can then work on the ability to make things happen in their red zone later.  At least there's something to work with.

OK coach, if you say so.  I had no idea redzone turnovers were so easy to fix.  You should tell that to the hundreds of QBs who have failed in the CFL and NFL for that very issue.  If only they had that secret formula that only you seem to possess!

Either throw it where only the receiver can catch it or take a knee and we'll kick a field goal! It's not like it was some huge insurmountable flaw going on there, it was a young guy getting too hot and horny to put the ball in the endzone. Exactly the kind of thing that good coaching can remedy without too much difficulty. Like I said, if the guy can move the ball effectively for the length of the field but an issue only comes up when you get close to the goal line then that's so much easier to fix than guys who can't move the ball at all.

He's got a point though.

 

I'd rather turn the ball over on their 15 yard line than punt it down to the 55.

 

Oh?  And if he does it 3+ times in one game?  Multiple times?

 

Great for morale, I bet.

Either throw it where only the receiver can catch it or take a knee and we'll kick a field goal! It's not like it was some huge insurmountable flaw going on there, it was a young guy getting too hot and horny to put the ball in the endzone. Exactly the kind of thing that good coaching can remedy without too much difficulty. Like I said, if the guy can move the ball effectively for the length of the field but an issue only comes up when you get close to the goal line then that's so much easier to fix than guys who can't move the ball at all.

 

Can't coach a guy who doesn't want to learn .. one of Elliott's problems was that he didn't do what was asked of him by the offensive co-ordinator .. that, coupled with the work ethic concerns some people have noted, earned him a trip out of town.

Oh?  And if he does it 3+ times in one game?  Multiple times?

 

Great for morale, I bet.

 

Is a pick six followed by an injury good for team morale?

I refuse to believe that he was THAT uncoachable. If that were the case I don't see how he would have lasted 3 years before those issues came up. I think this was a case of Burke not being a fan and not even trying to coach him. 

Either throw it where only the receiver can catch it or take a knee and we'll kick a field goal! It's not like it was some huge insurmountable flaw going on there, it was a young guy getting too hot and horny to put the ball in the endzone. Exactly the kind of thing that good coaching can remedy without too much difficulty. Like I said, if the guy can move the ball effectively for the length of the field but an issue only comes up when you get close to the goal line then that's so much easier to fix than guys who can't move the ball at all.

 

Maybe, maybe not.

 

But Buck can move the ball, he's not completely useless as you guys are making him out to be.  He had a bad year, for sure... but he's a winning QB and he always has been.  Because he protects the ball and he can make **** happen when the team needs it most.

 

Look, I'm not happy we're stuck with Pierce again either, I think it's insane.  But I'd rather go with someone who has a chance to be good rather than a proven flop like Elliott.

Is a pick six followed by an injury good for team morale?

But Pierce is a WINNER!!!!!! that guy left the team in so many holes last year when he got hurt it's not even funny and yet people still go on like he does only good things when he's out there and it's just the injuries that hold him back. Maybe in the past, but the pick 6 down the sideline has been a Pierce specialty for a while now. 

Here we go again, Elliott vs. Buck.

Hate to burst the bubble of some, but it doesn't even sound like Eliott will stick around in BC. I really don't get peoples love for Elliott or even Hall now, it's almost like their bias against Buck leads to having sexual fantasies about the other QBS. Elliott's gone because Burke and Crowton didn't want him here, deal with it.

 

 

As for the actual topic at hand, considering the top units/veterans didn't play much I'm not sure that Burke has much to go on, so I believe he's talking about how they came out with a dud, the start itself not so much how they played overall, could be wrong though. I for one love Coach Burke's honesty in the media, I hope he becomes a Head Coach that coaches to win as opposed to coaching not to lose, saw some of that last year which worried me a bit, but Burke is a first time HC, I'm willing to give him some time.