3 stars plus hh post seasons pre game

[Booch]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

https://3downnation.com/2025/10/25/winnipeg-blue-bombers-beat-alouettes-but-playoff-path-remains-unclear-12-other-thoughts/

“As long as Jordan Younger is in charge of Winnipeg’s defence, the unit will always be at or near the bottom of the league in sacks. The former defensive back often rushes only three players and drops nine into coverage, forcing the opposing quarterback to navigate tight windows downfield. It’s a good scheme — the Blue Bombers will finish the season ranked first in offensive points allowed — but it’s not one that generates a lot of pressure.”

 

Hodge has lost the plot on this one, and is refusing to admit to the reality most every one sees. The personnel we are married to on the dl can’t rush the passer reliably. Even sporadically is asking a lot of them. 

We just finished having 3 rookie ends in their first game as pros along with our 2nd unit dl, sack/pressure/hit clean mbt and the first/2nd string als ol 15 + times at an over 50% win rate on passing downs. 

We saw it again in week 9 when wj had his best game of the year, his random flip the switch throw back to when he was a modp type guy. We’ve seen JY run all manner of pressure packages, mostly succeeding with dbs as our lbers are pretty awful at pass rushing. 

The 30 front drop every one package evolved from our in ability to get pressure with 4-5. We’ve seen hall run all kinds of front schemes to get pressure with great success. Who maybe hodge has forgotten is still here working with jy. 

We’ve been dressing 5-6 dl including 1-2 canadians completely unable to win a 1on1 or  disrupt, and wj who is permanently coasting looking for pass knock downs. That while the rest of the league is running 9-10 DL, with 5+ imports and focusing on heavily rotating young, athletic guys in who can create disruption. 

Which ironically is our old play book with hall running the D. 

yup...scheme never changed yesterday...but got sacks...a lot of hurries....QB getting pounded so was far from comfortable...all effect the trajectory of the game....and how many times are drives snuffed out with a huge loss on a sack or the pressure causing errors?...more than you can count....I dont care how good your db's are...and how many you drop back..If the QB has all day and not a care in the world....they will eat your lunch...and sure they may not score a ton....but eat up the clock and keep your offence off the field and unable to score...and has been a big factor in many a game for us

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

touch will come with live "game" reps....He has the tools...can he develop them, and develop his eyes and what he see's...he deserves to be frought back...but has to take the next step...and a big one next spring...if not...time to cut bait

I’m not sure we have the staff to develop a qb any more :s 

Actually, I’d wager we have one of the worst offensive staffs for that. 

Costello is the only must keep. I’d like to keep jackson as well. But if we go in a different direction i wouldn’t be heart broken. (I’d love masoli as a qb coach). Hogan and billy jean can kick their can down the road. And bolduc I’m pretty meh on. Wouldn’t want to keep him and jackson we need heavy change. 

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

yup...scheme never changed yesterday...but got sacks...a lot of hurries....QB getting pounded so was far from comfortable...all effect the trajectory of the game....and how many times are drives snuffed out with a huge loss on a sack or the pressure causing errors?...more than you can count....I dont care how good your db's are...and how many you drop back..If the QB has all day and not a care in the world....they will eat your lunch...and sure they may not score a ton....but eat up the clock and keep your offence off the field and unable to score...and has been a big factor in many a game for us

Imagine how good our secondary would look with that kind of pressure from 3-4 guys regularly? The D would be scary 

[Booch]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

I’m not sure we have the staff to develop a qb any more :s 

Actually, I’d wager we have one of the worst offensive staffs for that. 

Costello is the only must keep. I’d like to keep jackson as well. But if we go in a different direction i wouldn’t be heart broken. (I’d love masoli as a qb coach). Hogan and billy jean can kick their can down the road. And bolduc I’m pretty meh on. Wouldn’t want to keep him and jackson we need heavy change. 

Yeah regardless of what happens this playoffs...I hope we cut bait with the works save for Costello and Jackson...I'd be happy with Jackson as the OC/QB coach tho....

It's been blatantly obvious OC Clown guys has nbo clue....has an ego a well...why I'm unsure and just isnt cut out to be a pro OC

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah regardless of what happens this playoffs...I hope we cut bait with the works save for Costello and Jackson...I'd be happy with Jackson as the OC/QB coach tho....

It's been blatantly obvious OC Clown guys has nbo clue....has an ego a well...why I'm unsure and just isnt cut out to be a pro OC

I’d be good with that. Best case if we promote jackson to oc, is we bring in a support coach. Either some one who has been an oc a lot and can support jackson with the minutia. Or maybe younger/cfl rookie type with experience in more diverse us systems who can be developed here but also give hands on insight to specific systems we want jackson to grow into. Like some one with more spread to run zone running schemes outside of tite/izr who can diversify our run game. Or some one with more experience in spread RPO to help our guys execute reads and work options much more effectively. Like calgary did last year.

[Booch]

36 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I’d be good with that. Best case if we promote jackson to oc, is we bring in a support coach. Either some one who has been an oc a lot and can support jackson with the minutia. Or maybe younger/cfl rookie type with experience in more diverse us systems who can be developed here but also give hands on insight to specific systems we want jackson to grow into. Like some one with more spread to run zone running schemes outside of tite/izr who can diversify our run game. Or some one with more experience in spread RPO to help our guys execute reads and work options much more effectively. Like calgary did last year.

100 percent 

[Stickem]

The qb situation has to change ....unfortunately I think we've seen the last of Streve.....We have Artopoeus ,Wilson and a big question mark if Zack packs it in.....I'd like to see Elgersma brought in AND it looks like Tre Ford is going to be  available ...BIG ??question marks in 26'...After the post season we better have a plan

[JuranBoldenRules]

Wilson is not a toolsy QB at all.  Out of 20 passes, 1 was great.  That's ******* horrific for any QB at this level.  He can't pass on the move and the only reasonable skill he has is running off a rollout/boot.

Low velocity passes, poor accuracy, poor decisions.  Can't put the ball on a guy.  Any pass over about 5 yards is a lob or in the dirt.  Guy has zero confidence is his own arm.  There's not anything to develop there on a guy who is 28 by next training camp.

[Noeller]

11 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Wilson is not a toolsy QB at all.  Out of 20 passes, 1 was great.  That's ******* horrific for any QB at this level.  He can't pass on the move and the only reasonable skill he has is running off a rollout/boot.

Low velocity passes, poor accuracy, poor decisions.  Can't put the ball on a guy.  Any pass over about 5 yards is a lob or in the dirt.  Guy has zero confidence is his own arm.  There's not anything to develop there on a guy who is 28 by next training camp.

I've been meaning to ask you for your thoughts on Wallace... How do you feel he's progressed, if he has at all .. does he have the potential to become a full time Guard at some point?

[ddanger]

5 hours ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

I agree about his throwing. He generally throws a pretty tight spiral which is more than I can say for Streveler or even Collaros. On the INT in the endzone, he did have Stearns wide open but tried to feather it to him and off of his back foot to boot. I like his athleticism, too. For his first real action, I thought that he did OK. I also wasn't too impressed with Hogan's play calling but I also think that he should be fired so even if he had called a good game, I'd be still calling for his firing. No brakes to pump regarding Wilson, I don't recall any posters thinking that he was the "second coming."

Very much agree with this....the interception was exactly as you describe it, an inexperienced qb trying to cosey the ball into a spot. Yes Hogan should be fired. And who the he&* dreamed up those 2 useless shovel passes?? Brutal 

[johnzo]

3 hours ago, wbbfan said:

 And bolduc I’m pretty meh on. 

why?  he seems to have coached up Peterson pretty nice.

[Booch]

21 minutes ago, johnzo said:

why?  he seems to have coached up Peterson pretty nice.

THATS just the kids natural skill....and watching BO....There is no real "caoching" going on in practice on how to be a runningback at this level....its all about reps and visualization and seeing things now

[johnzo]

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

THATS just the kids natural skill....and watching BO....There is no real "caoching" going on in practice on how to be a runningback at this level....its all about reps and visualization and seeing things now

what about blocking?  is that not coached?

[Booch]

9 minutes ago, johnzo said:

what about blocking?  is that not coached?

meh....not really....maybe studying scheme and responsibility but tht's also on the player to have his nose in playbook and know his role on a play, and to recognize when to pick up the extra guy or free guy

I am sure BO is in his ear more telling him and showing him that in practice and film work...as AH did for him

You get better playing and putting that knowledge to use...not running skelly or being scout RB mimicking the other teams systems

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, johnzo said:

why?  he seems to have coached up Peterson pretty nice.

I don’t agree. Peterson basically came in and is today the guy he was when he arrived. 

 And while he’s had some good backs under him, none made significant strides while with him, most had their best play after not being with him any more. 

57 minutes ago, johnzo said:

what about blocking?  is that not coached?

Depends a lot on how and where it’s being drilled. Augustine made his strides blocking the place he did covering kicks, on teams. 

 

[wbbfan]

3 hours ago, Stickem said:

The qb situation has to change ....unfortunately I think we've seen the last of Streve.....We have Artopoeus ,Wilson and a big question mark if Zack packs it in.....I'd like to see Elgersma brought in AND it looks like Tre Ford is going to be  available ...BIG ??question marks in 26'...After the post season we better have a plan

It really does. and the change is like to see is zach retiring. But idk how you add a real qb1 this off season. 

Personally, I don’t see a great fit for both ford and elgersma. Ford could run strev package and short yardage etc, but I wouldn’t want either he or elgersma to be the first guy off the bench taking over a game.

3 hours ago, Noeller said:

I've been meaning to ask you for your thoughts on Wallace... How do you feel he's progressed, if he has at all .. does he have the potential to become a full time Guard at some point?

He basically is full time this year. Vanterpool is better at guard, but wallace is further along than dobson was last year. 

[Pete]

32 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

It really does. and the change is like to see is zach retiring. But idk how you add a real qb1 this off season. 

Personally, I don’t see a great fit for both ford and elgersma. Ford could run strev package and short yardage etc, but I wouldn’t want either he or elgersma to be the first guy off the bench taking over a game.

He basically is full time this year. Vanterpool is better at guard, but wallace is further along than dobson was last year. 

Both Elgesma and Ford would be a big upgrade on who we rostered this year. I wouldn't have a problem with either one.

With Ford, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to out east and might be a good fit with  Mtrl as Alexander isn't costing them a lot.

Edited 9 hours ago by Pete

[Noeller]

I want Ford to be a great QB worse than bad.... But how on earth can you watch anything he's done and say that he's an upgrade over anyone in the league? Definitely not an upgrade over anyone we currently have. 

[wbbfan]

57 minutes ago, Pete said:

Both Elgesma and Ford would be a big upgrade on who we rostered this year. I wouldn't have a problem with either one.

With Ford, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to out east and might be a good fit with  Mtrl as Alexander isn't costing them a lot.

Problem with that is we didn’t have a proper qb2 this year either. We need to do better next year, and not marginally better at qb. 

If masoli retires i could see bc going for ford. Back up canadian to the canadian and buck can run his strev pack stuff 

7 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I want Ford to be a great QB worse than bad.... But how on earth can you watch anything he's done and say that he's an upgrade over anyone in the league? Definitely not an upgrade over anyone we currently have. 

He’s an upgrade over streveler at doing streveler things. But not an upgrade as a qb. Because as of yet, he hasn’t shown to remotely be a qb in the cfl. 

 I think highly of elgersma, but It would be crazy for him to take real reps next year. 

This year has shown you need a qb2 who can start, run the offence and win. Not just come off the bench. 

[wbbfan]

If he’s available, I’d look at crum. I also don’t think we’d be in the market to pay ford what he’d want 

[ShyGuy]

4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

If he’s available, I’d look at crum. I also don’t think we’d be in the market to pay ford what he’d want 

How much would a thrice benched 28 year old QB command on the open market?

I wonder if the Bombers might be forced to do something with Hogan. Jackson was interim coach in Edmonton and obviously QB coach is a big step back. I would imagine if he doesn't get a promotion he would be a candidate in at least Ottawa for the HC or OC gig

[wbbfan]

22 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

How much would a thrice benched 28 year old QB command on the open market?

I wonder if the Bombers might be forced to do something with Hogan. Jackson was interim coach in Edmonton and obviously QB coach is a big step back. I would imagine if he doesn't get a promotion he would be a candidate in at least Ottawa for the HC or OC gig

He was twice benched before he got the big deal he’s on. Same happened to mbt fajardo etc. Likely in the 200k plus incentives range.
Meanwhile, Idont like elgersma will come cheap since he’s still pining for an nfl pr deal. He might think he could get a second tc shot. 

I hope so, but we do tend to move glacially slow with these decisions. 

[SpeedFlex27]

8 hours ago, Booch said:

yup...scheme never changed yesterday...but got sacks...a lot of hurries....QB getting pounded so was far from comfortable...all effect the trajectory of the game....and how many times are drives snuffed out with a huge loss on a sack or the pressure causing errors?...more than you can count....I dont care how good your db's are...and how many you drop back..If the QB has all day and not a care in the world....they will eat your lunch...and sure they may not score a ton....but eat up the clock and keep your offence off the field and unable to score...and has been a big factor in many a game for us

If I was building a defense I'd start with an aggressive front four. Everything else just falls into place. 

3 hours ago, Pete said:

Both Elgesma and Ford would be a big upgrade on who we rostered this year. I wouldn't have a problem with either one.

With Ford, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to out east and might be a good fit with  Mtrl as Alexander isn't costing them a lot.

Oh gawd, not Ford. We don't need a glorified running back as a qb.  Ford's brutal. Killam gave him a fair shot. The experiment lasted 6 games & now both the Elks HC & GM Ed Hervey can't wait to get rid of him. 

Edited 6 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[Brandon]

3 hours ago, Noeller said:

I want Ford to be a great QB worse than bad.... But how on earth can you watch anything he's done and say that he's an upgrade over anyone in the league? Definitely not an upgrade over anyone we currently have. 

He is/was better then Strev.   He's worth a shot but only in the right system and he would really benefit sitting behind a veteran QB or a guy like Dave Dickenson coaching him for a year or two.    

We unfortunately don't have two years to invest in a guy for him to get better.   

[ShyGuy]

4 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Idont like elgersma will come cheap since he’s still pining for an nfl pr deal. He might think he could get a second tc shot. 

Is there any mechanism in the CBA to allow Elgersma to get anything other than the standard ELC out of the Bombers? Maybe some additional marketing money? I think there was some confusion with Rourke and his contract coming back from the NFL because the standard rookie contract is 2 years + a team option... so in theory BC could have paid him a pittance when he came back but obviously that was never going to happen.

I guess this is the relevant piece of the CBA here
 

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Section 9.03  National NFL Players Signing and Playing in the CFL Any National player who has received a pay cheque for three (3) or more years in the NFL can play for the CFL team that drafted him or owns his rights, and will not be subject to the rookie grid outlined above.  Each year in the NFL removes one (1) year off the rookie grid up to the three (3) years.  A National in the NFL can receive a pay cheque through either the Active Roster, Practice Roster or Injured List.   

 

[SpeedFlex27]

3 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

Is there any mechanism in the CBA to allow Elgersma to get anything other than the standard ELC out of the Bombers? Maybe some additional marketing money? I think there was some confusion with Rourke and his contract coming back from the NFL because the standard rookie contract is 2 years + a team option... so in theory BC could have paid him a pittance when he came back but obviously that was never going to happen.

I guess this is the relevant piece of the CBA here
 

 

How short sighted of the CFL to even have this in the CBA. The word cheap just cries out.