Bombers at Als early chat

[GCn20]

8 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

You're not downgrading by playing Canadian, rookie LBs for a few reps.   Hamilton's defense improved when Veresuk got the nod at MLB.

Sure, therefore every NAT to IMP swap should be an upgrade then? C'mon...that's cherry picking. It doesn't have to be a downgrade, but it more than likely is. Let's be real.

15 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

There's roughly 60 reps a game on D. If Shay and Smith were playing say 12 reps a game that's only 20%. I can't see how them playing would hurt the club but I can see how it would help aid their development and help the team. If I am wrong, explain why.

Because 12 plays can win any team a game.

16 hours ago, Noeller said:

That's fair... I think rushing them to start and play full reps is unnecessary right now, but giving them SOME reps could definitely be helpful in Year 1. 

That's a fair assessment.

16 hours ago, Tracker said:

The big problem we have is the stubbornness  of coach(es) in using the same, obviously overmatched players again and again rather than giving potentially better players onto the field. It is not universal, as yet, but there is a growing lack of confidence in most of our coaching staff. If we here feel this way, the players must as well.

Because we feel a certain way about the coaches most certainly does not mean the players feel the same as well. We are fans, we literally are talking out our asses.

12 hours ago, 17to85 said:

So i wonder if our stats nerd radio play by play dude can answer... has Gauthier taken any defensive snaps this year? Cadwallader? Because if they have that's egregious.  Those dudes are teamers for life and any snap they get should be going to potential future starters.

Unless, of course, Gauthier and Cadwallader are better options at this point. 

[GCn20]

9 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

I see, so you're saying we only use 1.5-2 linebackers essentially in our defense and there aren't really a lot of reps for Shay and Smith because Jones and Wilson basically take them all? Doesn't that get back to our ongoing debates about a disconnect between the front office and the coaching staff?

No. It is not a disconnect, Shay/Smith are both capable of playing the WIL LBer spot in the future. Smith could even potentially be a S. What JBR is getting at is that there just aren't a ton of reps available that would be particularly suitable for rookies because our only consistent true LBer on the field is at MIKE and you don't throw rookies into the fray there until they are good and ready. WIL already is a very diminished role in our D, and you use your starter when it is only 40-50% of all defensive reps. 

I know that everyone here is looking for reasons to dump on MOS, but we need to do better than grasp at straws. We are a 5-4 team, there's a lot to dislike right now and we are grousing over rookie play time, and the 51-53 spots of the roster. Why? Because it makes minor decisions seem a lot more major than what they are. If we want to talk coaching we have problems for sure, a lot of it is our coordinators. 

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[Booch]

14 hours ago, 17to85 said:

So i wonder if our stats nerd radio play by play dude can answer... has Gauthier taken any defensive snaps this year? Cadwallader? Because if they have that's egregious.  Those dudes are teamers for life and any snap they get should be going to potential future starters.

Cadwallader hasnt...Gauthier haven't seen out this yr other than short yardage stuff...but may have missed some snaps....he has a few defensive tackles so not sure just credited for short yardage stuff or if he was in....he doesnt really fit the skill set tho we use on that heavy rotation tho....

[17to85]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Unless, of course, Gauthier and Cadwallader are better options at this point. 

Then why did we draft those two guys if we can't play them in place of career special teams players? 

We're not going to win or lose games this year based on a handful of snaps for Gauthier vs. Rookies, but it might help rookies develop for the future which could help the teams ratio and overall talent level.

[blue85gold]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Then why did we draft those two guys if we can't play them in place of career special teams players? 

We're not going to win or lose games this year based on a handful of snaps for Gauthier vs. Rookies, but it might help rookies develop for the future which could help the teams ratio and overall talent level.

None of the Cdn LBs are playing on D so no sense getting mad about Gauthier right now. Not a Jake Thomas situation.

[Tracker]

9 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

None of the Cdn LBs are playing on D so no sense getting mad about Gauthier right now. Not a Jake Thomas situation.

Thank God.

[Tracker]

 

  20 hours ago, Tracker said:

The big problem we have is the stubbornness  of coach(es) in using the same, obviously overmatched players again and again rather than giving potentially better players onto the field. It is not universal, as yet, but there is a growing lack of confidence in most of our coaching staff. If we here feel this way, the players must as well.

Because we feel a certain way about the coaches most certainly does not mean the players feel the same as well. We are fans, we literally are talking out our asses

There is no absolute way to determine the attitude of players towards the coach or coaches, but you do not have to be a chicken to tell if an egg is rotten. What is obvious to us yahoos in this forum about roster management and the repeated fielding of poor players while potentially better replacements (I'm looking at you, Thomas and Kolankowski), and getting embarrassed repeatedly has to be infuriating to players who care. Having your nose rubbed in it gets old real fast.

[17to85]

Part of maintaining a good roster is knowing when to turn  over certain roles, and this team is bad at it. They did too little too late and wasted a couple development years clinging to rapidly aging stars while not having appropriate backups seasoning behind them.

[Noeller]

6 minutes ago, Tracker said:

 

  20 hours ago, Tracker said:

The big problem we have is the stubbornness  of coach(es) in using the same, obviously overmatched players again and again rather than giving potentially better players onto the field. It is not universal, as yet, but there is a growing lack of confidence in most of our coaching staff. If we here feel this way, the players must as well.

we literally are talking out our asses

 

You, sir, are a medical marvel....

[Booch]

6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Part of maintaining a good roster is knowing when to turn  over certain roles, and this team is bad at it. They did too little too late and wasted a couple development years clinging to rapidly aging stars while not having appropriate backups seasoning behind them.

I'd say worst in league at it

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Then why did we draft those two guys if we can't play them in place of career special teams players? 

We're not going to win or lose games this year based on a handful of snaps for Gauthier vs. Rookies, but it might help rookies develop for the future which could help the teams ratio and overall talent level.

You do realize that you don't necessarily draft guys for immediate insertion into the lineup right? Sure they could take the 5 or so snaps that Gauthier has had this year, but is this really the kind of development you are talking about? What if these rookies cost us games? Is that a smart development strategy? This isn't hockey where you have 82 games a year with many of them meaningless to get guys some time. We are not in a position in the standings to be developing rookies in game. Any rookie that is going to get regular playing time will have to do so by being better than the person they are replacing or through necessity. It's kind of silly to be pining for rookie playing time when we are currently playing for our playoff lives. The goal right now is to win, not develop players for next year. Won't cost us games? We just won/lost our last 2 games by FGs. A rookie making a rookie mistake can definitely cost us a game.

Would I like to see our young guys get some time when a game is out of reach? yep. We are likely playing tightly contested games for the majority of this season though.

Edited 1 minute ago by GCn20