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[White Out]

we kept the wrong quarterback

[Booch]

20 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

Outside of run blocking (and Calgary is in the bottom third of run defense), I thought line play was terrible.   

Neufeld getting completely turned around .. Randolph giving up that late sack that nearly got Streveler killed .. Kolo being dog walked .. is not emblematic of good line play.  Even Bryant's play is falling off but that may be more a sign that the unit as a whole struggling vs. Big Stan in isolation (though I do think he's no longer the premier tackle he used to be).

That said ..

I do think Vanterpool / Wallace are upgrades over Dobson (who I never thought lived up to expectation).   Randolph over Lofton feels like addition by subtraction (though Randolph hasn't exactly lit the world on fire).

Peterson on that sack effed up too...he needs to recognize the pressure and at least chip...he just drifted off into nowhere land as an outlet pass...BO woud have cleaned that up...rookie error....and good thing that was Strev who can take a hit...as I think the CGY player actually got the worse for wear...if that was ZC...couldnt been curtains for him for a while

1 minute ago, White Out said:

we kept the wrong quarterback

good thing we already signed him for 2026 tho haha...sight unseen too

Edited 14 hours ago by Booch

[rebusrankin]

1. MOS-Outcoached and poor game day roster

2. Kyle Walters-At best enabled MOS by bringing back vets like Thomas, Kolo etc

3. Wade Miller-Frankly needed to have a tough talk with MOS and KW this off season

HH-To all of us here who suffered through watching the game

 

[GCn20]

22 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

1. MOS-Outcoached and poor game day roster

2. Kyle Walters-At best enabled MOS by bringing back vets like Thomas, Kolo etc

3. Wade Miller-Frankly needed to have a tough talk with MOS and KW this off season

HH-To all of us here who suffered through watching the game

 

I won't jump the gun on one game, especially given our performance prior to bye weeks over the past several year, however it is pretty evident that our coaches and players all need a swift kick in the ass after that fiasco last night. The lack of execution and piss poor game plan is on the coordinators not OShea. However, it is OShea's job to make sure that his team plays with effort and for 60 minutes. It is also the players jobs to be mentally prepared and ready to play. Everyone took a **** last night. Coach, coordinators and players all need to do a lot better.

Edited 13 hours ago by GCn20

[Fatty Liver]

7 out of 8 games coming up will be challenging, Stamps (2) Argos (2) and Als (1) leading into back to back with the Riders and the LDC, good chance all starting QB's will be back for those games.  How they perform in that stretch will define their season and whether they still have the ability to compete with the top teams, or if they've officially been dethroned as King of the Hill.

 

 

[GCn20]

1 minute ago, Fatty Liver said:

7 out of 8 games coming up will be challenging, Stamps (2) Argos (2) and Als (1) leading into back to back with the Riders and the LDC, good chance all starting QB's will be back for those games.  How they perform in that stretch will define their season and whether they still have the ability to compete with the top teams, or if they've officially been dethroned as King of the Hill.

 

 

If we play like we can we will be fine. If we play like country club princesses like last night it will be a long season. If we don't see more out of our team than what we got last night then clean house and start the rebuild.

[sweep the leg]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Peterson on that sack effed up too...he needs to recognize the pressure and at least chip...he just drifted off into nowhere land as an outlet pass...BO woud have cleaned that up...rookie error....and good thing that was Strev who can take a hit...as I think the CGY player actually got the worse for wear...if that was ZC...couldnt been curtains for him for a while

I actually yelled “wtf are you doing” at the tv on that play. Peterson was completely lost.

Tough play call for Randolph to make his block. The de can just sprint past him and turn when the qb sprints out like that. I don’t think that play’s designed for Steve to hold onto the ball like he did either.

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, voodoochylde said:

Outside of run blocking (and Calgary is in the bottom third of run defense), I thought line play was terrible.   

Neufeld getting completely turned around .. Randolph giving up that late sack that nearly got Streveler killed .. Kolo being dog walked .. is not emblematic of good line play.  Even Bryant's play is falling off but that may be more a sign that the unit as a whole struggling vs. Big Stan in isolation (though I do think he's no longer the premier tackle he used to be).

That said ..

I do think Vanterpool / Wallace are upgrades over Dobson (who I never thought lived up to expectation).   Randolph over Lofton feels like addition by subtraction (though Randolph hasn't exactly lit the world on fire).

Pass pro was really hit or miss. Randolph got whupped with speed a few times. He's still an upgrade in pass pro over lofton, and a side grade in run pro. Dobson was good, but he certainly hasn't lived up to the Desjarlais level of potential he possesses. I think Wallace is more reliable now than Dobson was last year. And with the out side shot at ending up a RT. 

Every one had bad plays on the OL. Bryant has dropped off a lot. Neuf was goofed on really bad on the play action play. Nearly become a butt tackle. Kola was baaad bad bad, as per usual. 

 

Peterson was really good as bradys replacement. Better than augustine was. But bradys ability to consistently churn out yards and hammer through for steady gains is critical to us. 

 

1 hour ago, White Out said:

we kept the wrong quarterback

Should've been Austin Apodaca. 

We could'v kept brown, brought back strevy to back him up, and traded zach away for assets. Then used the 2-300k to sign 1-2 impact guys. 

[Stickem]

What a pathetic bloody effort that was....Db's playing a mile off the receivers...while they were painted on our guys and yet bad Zack seen fit to keep going to the well to get pic'd or had nada to show for his effort....The team was listless , seemed uncaring AND had all the earmarks of a loser....I was so gawdamned mad I turned that bull3hit of a game off, after Zack served up his last pic...The worst of all of that useless effort was the attitude...IF you're going to play that type of crap game, just mail the two points to the opposition and stay home...I would expect after that non-effort that we will flush this one and bring back some Bomber pride for the next game, that was sorely lacking in Calgary.................hopefully...

....Strained to find any Bomber who was deserving of any positive mention''' Castillo for his effort and Clercius for catching al most everything thrown his way and promptly stepping out of bounds...Brady O who put in a decent game early 

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, Stickem said:

What a pathetic bloody effort that was....Db's playing a mile off the receivers...while they were painted on our guys and yet bad Zack seen fit to keep going to the well to get pic'd or had nada to show for his effort....The team was listless , seemed uncaring AND had all the earmarks of a loser....I was so gawdamned mad I turned that bull3hit of a game off, after Zack served up his last pic...The worst of all of that useless effort was the attitude...IF you're going to play that type of crap game, just mail the two points to the opposition and stay home...I would expect after that non-effort that we will flush this one and bring back some Bomber pride for the next game, that was sorely lacking in Calgary.................hopefully...

....Strained to find any Bomber who was deserving of any positive mention''' Castillo for his effort and Clercius for catching al most everything thrown his way and promptly stepping out of bounds...Brady O who put in a decent game early 

The real worry with the secondary is that we are completely lost on crossing routes unless they run at Nichols. We haven't been able to pick up crossers with the wil, mac, Parker, Kramdi, or Holm. 

[Noeller]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

The real worry with the secondary is that we are completely lost on crossing routes unless they run at Nichols. We haven't been able to pick up crossers with the wil, mac, Parker, Kramdi, or Holm. 

When I saw Tre Ford making us look silly on those, alarm bells went off in my head... 

[Fatty Liver]

29 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

If we play like we can we will be fine. If we play like country club princesses like last night it will be a long season. If we don't see more out of our team than what we got last night then clean house and start the rebuild.

Maybe, I'd prefer to find out mid-season where they're lacking while there's still time to adjust, rather than late season and be shocked how poorly they play against competitive teams.   It's easy to beat up on the weak teams, but if they can't beat the top teams during the regular season it's unlikely they'll beat them in the playoffs. 

When was the last time Zach mounted a comeback from 2 TD's down?

[wbbfan]

2 minutes ago, Noeller said:

When I saw Tre Ford making us look silly on those, alarm bells went off in my head... 

yep. Those are classic easy run and catch plays. Fajardo was propped up on crossing routes and seam busters for years. 

[Fatty Liver]

14 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Pass pro was really hit or miss. Randolph got whupped with speed a few times. He's still an upgrade in pass pro over lofton, and a side grade in run pro. Dobson was good, but he certainly hasn't lived up to the Desjarlais level of potential he possesses. I think Wallace is more reliable now than Dobson was last year. And with the out side shot at ending up a RT. 

 

 

When Bryant came out was that Vanderpoo or Randolph in his spot?

[GCn20]

5 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Maybe, I'd prefer to find out mid-season where they're lacking while there's still time to adjust, rather than late season and be shocked how poorly they play against competitive teams.   It's easy to beat up on the weak teams, but if they can't beat the top teams during the regular season it's unlikely they'll beat them in the playoffs. 

When was the last time Zach mounted a comeback from 2 TD's down?

yea...the bright side is that the playoffs don't start at the beginning of July.  Lot can change from now to then if we don't show improvement.

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

The real worry with the secondary is that we are completely lost on crossing routes unless they run at Nichols. We haven't been able to pick up crossers with the wil, mac, Parker, Kramdi, or Holm. 

as much as people here like to pump Kramdi ...mainly cause Osh does...so the media follows suit...he's horrible in coverage, and isn not a good tackler at all....if he isnt crashing down in the box or in a run blitz...his one real strength...he is real ...real bad in coverage...and has difficulty running with guys ...hence the getting gouged on the crossers....He's the very definition of a situational guy....and is not a true every down SAM....Not by a long shot and we pay him like he's one of the leagues elite to boot....but like a few other players...mainly certain Canadians , Osh has a real boner for him

Slip Griffin in there....let Allen either earn his chops in Bridges spot, or at safety. and slide Parker into half or corner...or when Kelly back move Kelly to safety ...Griffin stay at sam and figure out that Corner...All Allen did in TC and in pre-season was make plays...time to change it up

Also have J.Jones in the middle.....just that tweek alone and not even expunging Jake would give us way more athleticism through the middle and the flats....Better tackling and a tighter back end

Wilson is fine but he can only do so much and teams are not necessarily targeting his area anyway...it's blatant targeting on ground where Jake lines up...and through the flats in shallow area outside box where Kramdi and jones roam....favoring Bridges/Holm side

9 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Maybe, I'd prefer to find out mid-season where they're lacking while there's still time to adjust, rather than late season and be shocked how poorly they play against competitive teams.   It's easy to beat up on the weak teams, but if they can't beat the top teams during the regular season it's unlikely they'll beat them in the playoffs. 

When was the last time Zach mounted a comeback from 2 TD's down?

Dru did in EDM....zC....unsure

[GCn20]

11 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Maybe, I'd prefer to find out mid-season where they're lacking while there's still time to adjust, rather than late season and be shocked how poorly they play against competitive teams.   It's easy to beat up on the weak teams, but if they can't beat the top teams during the regular season it's unlikely they'll beat them in the playoffs. 

When was the last time Zach mounted a comeback from 2 TD's down?

I've seen more busts in our coverages this year than in the last 5 years combined. Our D is simply not playing like they should. We predicate on a ball hawking shut down secondary. We don't have that right now.

Edited 12 hours ago by GCn20

[Fatty Liver]

2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

yea...the bright side is that the playoffs don't start at the beginning of July.  Lot can change from now to then if we don't show improvement.

They've had some good mid-season corrections that have paid off, BA to Safety, Travis Bond to OG, Nichols in for Willy.

[Booch]

8 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

yep. Those are classic easy run and catch plays. Fajardo was propped up on crossing routes and seam busters for years. 

when you have MLB with no coverage skills and quite honestly...doesnt really appear to even know where to drop....that stuff happens....and then you have Kramdi in chase mode as he has no cover skills...recipe for a good gouging and sustained drives

[Fatty Liver]

Just now, GCn20 said:

I've seen more busts in our coverages this year than in the last 5 years combined. Our D is simply not playing like they should.

BA is still hanging around, at least he kept them in line and on focus.

[GCn20]

3 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

They've had some good mid-season corrections that have paid off, BA to Safety, Travis Bond to OG, Nichols in for Willy.

Absolutely. Wilson coming back from the NFL would help immensely, and some other tweaks here and there. It's not a lost cause by any stretch of the imagination. Vaughters is not playing very well, and of course our interior DL is weak. We need help there. Not sure we have the personnel right now. Time for an airlift.

1 minute ago, Fatty Liver said:

BA is still hanging around, at least he kept them in line and on focus.

Not gonna pin any of it on the Safety.

Edited 12 hours ago by GCn20

[Fatty Liver]

3 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Absolutely. Wilson coming back from the NFL would help immensely, and some other tweaks here and there. It's not a lost cause by any stretch of the imagination.

Not gonna pin any of it on the Safety.

Those bust were caused by communication breakdowns.

[Booch]

5 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

yea...the bright side is that the playoffs don't start at the beginning of July.  Lot can change from now to then if we don't show improvement.

thing is....for last I dont know how many yrs...we show no inclination to change.....Osh says we know the issue and will fix it...backups get zero reps, let alone a chance to grab a spot (even tho they apparently are all starter quality...hence why they here) and we either limp into playoffs with banged up guys....or have nobody after the main 12...13 starters and get beaten down and nobody gets pulled...cause well nobody has earned trust due to lack of play time...and round and round we go....this is loking like round 4....It's still early I agree....but i have zero faith whatsoever that any significant move or coaching shift will occur....none?

 

5 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I've seen more busts in our coverages this year than in the last 5 years combined. Our D is simply not playing like they should. We predicate on a ball hawking shut down secondary. We don't have that right now.

scheme?...or roster???...workd quite well for most part last yr....me thinks players....especially with many holdovers who wouldnt make a starting unit anywhere else...a couple wouldnt make game day roster

[GCn20]

Just now, Fatty Liver said:

Those bust were caused by communication breakdowns.

That's not all on the Safety but yes Alexander was helpful in that regard for sure. 

[Booch]

6 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

They've had some good mid-season corrections that have paid off, BA to Safety, Travis Bond to OG, Nichols in for Willy.

yeah....5 to 8 yrs ago....now its status quo rest on our laurels