GDT Bombers east vs Stumps

[Booch]

17 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

It's weird how ZC's 2nd half and TD/INT ratio dramatically improved in the 2nd half of the season once his receivers began gaining chemistry with him, and his OL settled in and started protecting him. You can throw the best ball in the world but if the receiver zigs when he is supposed to zag your INT numbers are gonna go through the roof. Not saying that it explains away everything but it was a huge factor in ZC's first half. The other big factors were his protection and Buck being too stubborn to change the game plan to accommodate for rookie mistakes and the OL not gelling right away.

I think losing Buck will be the biggest addition by subtraction

[Pete Catan's Ghost]

11 minutes ago, Booch said:

I think losing Buck will be the biggest addition by subtraction

Maybe so, but a rookie OC will come with his own set of brain cramps. 

[SpeedFlex27]

10 hours ago, Brandon said:

TLDR:   We can make excuses for Bomber players but guys from other teams cannot be given the same luxury.      Also we must ignore the stats which show a guy on the worst team outplayed a guy on the best team in the league over a 3 year period.  

Ford outplayed Streveler?  They've never faced each other. That's a crappy take, c'mon. I haven't seen Ford outplay anyone. He relies on his athleticism & not his brains. Wait till he blows out his knee or achilles. Unfortunately, with his style of play, it's coming.

Hey, has Tre Ford got his NFL pension like Streveler? Just asking...

[17to85]

Stats without context don't mean a hell of a lot... 

What were the situations in which those stats were accumulated? 

The bulk of strevelers starts came in his first year as a complete raw rookie early in the year or in year 2 when the team was in the midst of battling for playoff positions... and last year he played more fullback that qb for whatever reason..

 When did Ford play? Was it when the elks were already out of contention? 

[Brandon]

3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Ford outplayed Streveler?  They've never faced each other. That's a crappy take, c'mon. I haven't seen Ford outplay anyone. He relies on his athleticism & not his brains. Wait till he blows out his knee or achilles. Unfortunately, with his style of play, it's coming.

Hey, has Tre Ford got his NFL pension like Streveler? Just asking...

So you are saying that you can't compare one QB to another because they've never faced each other?  So I wouldn't be able to say that Patrick Mahomes is superior to Zach Collaros because they've never played against each other?  Your comment makes no sense.  

Tre Ford has performed better in the CFL then Strev while having a lesser surrounding cast.  So yes comparing one guy vs another he has performed better.     Once again... the stats do not lie.     The intangibles favour Ford.   

NFL pension doesn't mean much at all...  Are you suggesting that Johnny Manziel who made millions in the NFL was better then any CFL qb who has ever played?  

Ford is still a work in progress and I wouldn't rate him as a top 5 QB in the CFL at all.  I'm at least honest enough to say at this point in time Strev also isn't a top 5 QB in the league and would rank lower then Ford at this point in time.    

 

[SpeedFlex27]

40 minutes ago, Brandon said:

So you are saying that you can't compare one QB to another because they've never faced each other?  So I wouldn't be able to say that Patrick Mahomes is superior to Zach Collaros because they've never played against each other?  Your comment makes no sense.  

Tre Ford has performed better in the CFL then Strev while having a lesser surrounding cast.  So yes comparing one guy vs another he has performed better.     Once again... the stats do not lie.     The intangibles favour Ford.   

NFL pension doesn't mean much at all...  Are you suggesting that Johnny Manziel who made millions in the NFL was better then any CFL qb who has ever played?  

Ford is still a work in progress and I wouldn't rate him as a top 5 QB in the CFL at all.  I'm at least honest enough to say at this point in time Strev also isn't a top 5 QB in the league and would rank lower then Ford at this point in time.    

 

Yes, Streveler never played Ford. You said Ford outplayed Streveler. Again, your words.

Manziel never got his pension.

Ford is the worst starter in the CFL. That is a fact. It's not even close. He's 9th out of 9.

The only reason Fajardo isn't playing is the wish that a Canadian qb can win the Elks some games which explains why the Elks having been such a losing organization for years. They've made the qb position political. They aren't playing Cody Fajardo, the best qb on the Elks roster that gives them the best chance to win.  Ford will win some games. Maybe 3 or 4. They gave Ford starter money but he's never proved anything. He ain't worth it. Maybe he will be worth it, someday. Right now, he's a coach killer. 

Edited yesterday at 04:54 AM by SpeedFlex27

[GCn20]

17 hours ago, Booch said:

I think losing Buck will be the biggest addition by subtraction

He kept trying to implement an offence to suit the personnel he used to have, instead of adapting it to what was there. 

[Booch]

1 minute ago, GCn20 said:

He kept trying to implement an offence to suit the personnel he used to have, instead of adapting it to what was there. 

yup....and it seemed he really struggled to make adjustments....or was just too stubborn to

That's why having Jackson here is gonna be huge...Look what he did in Edm with his guys....Brown...Leake...among others...plus were they not the highest scoring offensive points per game and yards?....If only they had a defense

[GCn20]

11 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Stats without context don't mean a hell of a lot... 

What were the situations in which those stats were accumulated? 

The bulk of strevelers starts came in his first year as a complete raw rookie early in the year or in year 2 when the team was in the midst of battling for playoff positions... and last year he played more fullback that qb for whatever reason..

 When did Ford play? Was it when the elks were already out of contention? 

Garbage time also, Ford got to come off the bench and play against teams in prevent nursing double digit leads. If you can't look good in garbage time you have no business being in this league. When he has been the starter he has been anywhere from inconsistent to downright awful.

[Booch]

7 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Garbage time also, Ford got to come off the bench and play against teams in prevent nursing double digit leads. If you can't look good in garbage time you have no business being in this league. When he has been the starter he has been anywhere from inconsistent to downright awful.

yup...and really...he wowed scouts vs CIS guys at QB...big whoop...I've seen U.S highschool teams who prob could beat most...When I lived in cali I watched a lot of Poly's games....I doubt any CIS team then would have stood a chance

Ford is all hyoed up cause the media has this Canadian QB fascination.....which I wish they would just shut up about....celebrate ALL your Canadian players...especially th ones who are at the top of the league in their positions

[Bigblue204]

9 hours ago, Brandon said:

So you are saying that you can't compare one QB to another because they've never faced each other?  So I wouldn't be able to say that Patrick Mahomes is superior to Zach Collaros because they've never played against each other?  Your comment makes no sense.  

Tre Ford has performed better in the CFL then Strev while having a lesser surrounding cast.  So yes comparing one guy vs another he has performed better.     Once again... the stats do not lie.     The intangibles favour Ford.   

NFL pension doesn't mean much at all...  Are you suggesting that Johnny Manziel who made millions in the NFL was better then any CFL qb who has ever played?  

Ford is still a work in progress and I wouldn't rate him as a top 5 QB in the CFL at all.  I'm at least honest enough to say at this point in time Strev also isn't a top 5 QB in the league and would rank lower then Ford at this point in time.    

 

Who has said otherwise? At this point it just seems like you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Both QBs have a lot to prove. Comparing their stats doesn't prove anything. This week may. 

[HardCoreBlue]

5 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Who has said otherwise? At this point it just seems like you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Both QBs have a lot to prove. Comparing their stats doesn't prove anything. This week may. 

Shocking.