Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

10 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Random thoughts:

-Trump has been strangely very quiet and twitter-free for the last 12 hours. Can't wait for that dam to break. Whatever your political bent or personal views, it is always "entertaining" when he tweets and the responses it generates.

-So, who is next on the indictment list? Bannon now seems squarely in the crosshairs, but what of Kushner and Don Jr.? Is Kellyanne just a lackey mouthpiece, or was she part of the mechanism? And does Ivanka get a pass? Given daddy's very creepy praise of her, I wonder if she's the one person he wouldn't throw under the bus and would sacrifice himself for? And, top dawg aside, does anyone have any personal "favorites" they'd like to see get arrested, for simply schadenfraude purposes?

-What's the next diversionary tactic, as asked before? Declaring an emergency to get wall funding would be a "win" for Donald in that he didn't back down and keeps his key campaign promise (notwithstanding those pesky "legal challenges", which will likely take away this avenue but let Trump play victim and save face with his base rather than caving), but I think he's more about chaos to deflect, rather than solutions, so he likes the shutdown noise and will keep it up, and scream about another deadly caravan coming our way, is my bet.

-Finally, let's just assume for a second Trump himself never colluded and he is telling the truth the whole time. The fact that pretty much  every person in his political campaign orbit has been indicted or implicated would mean that, if he wasn't involved, then he is the biggest stooge in history and has been played like a fiddle by those who put him in power to advance their own criminal agenda, and he was too blind and stupid to even see it happening. Is that possibility even more embarrassing to this egomaniac than being caught as the ringleader? Remember how he bristled when Hillary called him a "puppet" in the debates? I would love to see someone in the media take this slant with him and poke the bear with "too dumb to realize he was just a pawn in someone else's master plan", I don't think he could leave that accusation alone and would put his head further in the noose.  (Like Sideshow Bob incriminating himself when an 8 year old Lisa said he wasn't smart enough to pull off election fraud himself and was just a stooge for others, causing his ego to break and out himself as the mastermind - yes, I just equated the President to a cartoon villain on the Simpsons - the world we live in)

Some speculate Bannon is actually a cooperating witness and Mueller's ace.

Bannon had already spent many hours in Mueller's office, earlier this year...........

I love that the new narrative will be how did cnn know.  Ummmm cause they do their homework

 

They simply got wind of another indictment going down......probably also had eyes on Kush, Doofus Jr. et al.

 

 

 

 

If Trump really wanted to see Hillary locked up, he should’ve just hired her to work on his campaign.

— William LeGate (@williamlegate) January 25, 2019

 

 

 

17 hours ago, pigseye said:

So Trump might get his wall (barring legal challenges) and not have to give up anything in return, not a very good deal for the Democrats. This is make or break for Pelosi, probably time from some new blood in there anyways. 

You almost had it. 

 

Some people:

Clearly, with all the indictments against Trump's inner circle, he must be clean. Otherwise, he would have been indicted too. 

Congress caves and cuts a deal over re-opening government. 

 

Trump is winning! MAGA! 

2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I love that the new narrative will be how did cnn know.  Ummmm cause they do their homework

 

This is all the rage on the right wing tweets. FBI colluding with CNN otherwise they wouldn't have been there, AND an armed assault on an old white man's house, clearly an abuse of power. Mueller must be fired and prosecuted as a deep state operative for such heavy-handed tactics meant to intimidate Trump witnesses.

OR

Maybe CNN just noticed the late afternoon special courtroom sitting on Thursday, and remembered that the last time this happened was the day indictments were drawn up and presented to the Grand Jury, and the next day Paul Manafort was arrested and charged (CNN actually put this out on their website Thursday afternoon before any news leaked or indictments came out, almost as if they knew what the counter-narrative from Fox and Friends would be, and thus created a paper trail of their investigative journalism to cover their bases and avoid the "fake news" label). So they picked out the most likely suspects for arrest and camped out overnight. Suspect that news crews were stationed at Bannon's, Kushner's, and Don Jr.'s places too.

Edited January 25, 20197 yr by TrueBlue4ever

His supporters must be so tired of winning, just like he told them they would be. 

11 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

This is all the rage on the right wing tweets. FBI colluding with CNN otherwise they wouldn't have been there, AND an armed assault on an old white man's house, clearly an abuse of power. Mueller must be fired and prosecuted as a deep state operative for such heavy-handed tactics meant to intimidate Trump witnesses.

OR

Maybe CNN just noticed the late afternoon special courtroom sitting on Thursday, and remembered that the last time this happened was the day indictments were drawn up and presented to the Grand Jury, and the next day Paul Manafort was arrested and charged (CNN actually put this out on their website Thursday afternoon before any news leaked or indictments came out, almost as if they knew what the counter-narrative from Fox and Friends would be, and thus created a paper trail of their investigative journalism to cover their bases and avoid the "fake news" label). So they picked out the most likely suspects for arrest and camped out overnight. Suspect that news crews were stationed at Bannon's, Kushner's, and Don Jr.'s places too.

Exactly what I was thinking. CNN is big enough to send a few crews out to monitor boots on the street. 

 

And, lets just say that someone in the FBI did tip off CNN, what does that have to do with the indictment of Stone? It's just Good'ol Boy Republicans trying change the story. A typical Trump move. 

Edited January 25, 20197 yr by JCon

 

Pelosi wins. 

 

Edited January 25, 20197 yr by The Unknown Poster

Pelosi, asked how Trump will handle backdown on reopening government without wall money, gestures toward her office decorations: “we could plant these flowers along the border and he’d say, ‘I got my wall.’ “

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) January 25, 2019

 

Pelosi OWNS Trump. His little hands must be shaking. 

My favorite tweet of the day:

"Hopefully Trump's supporters who wanted a wall will be satisfied with the big, beautiful cave he just delivered"

Damn... I love Fridays. Always seems to be a shoe dropping on a friday. 

18 hours ago, pigseye said:

So Trump might not get his wall (barring knowing legal challenges would block his "emergency" option anyway) give up and not have to give up anything in return, not a very good deal for the Democrats. This is make or break the art of the deal for Pelosi, probably time from some new blood in there anyways champagne. 

FIFY. Edits in italics mine to reflect reality.

Roger Stone, another guy who thinks he is the smartest person in the room, seems to be the common thought with all this Trump associates.

The shutdown was Trump's fault. But, he did do the right thing in the end. Since he created the mess, he gets no credit but at least he didn't dig in any further to make it even worse. 

3 minutes ago, JCon said:

The shutdown was Trump's fault. But, he did do the right thing in the end. Since he created the mess, he gets no credit but at least he didn't dig in any further to make it even worse. 

Wait 3 weeks

1 minute ago, do or die said:

Wait 3 weeks

True enough. But his position doesn't get stronger. 

 

In fact, he's better off just making it an election issue. He can pump his fists and yell about brown people for the next two years. Every time a brown person gets a parking ticket, he can tweet about it. 

That is, of course, if he can run for president from jail. 

That didn't take long...

Coulter blasts Trump over shutdown deal: 'Biggest wimp ever to serve as president'
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/427017-coulter-blasts-trump-over-shutdown-deal-biggest-wimp-ever-to-serve-as

Well Pelosi deserves the credit for the strategy that forced trump to capitulate. I’m sure there were some GOP senators pressuring him behind the scenes too. Some of them voted for the no wall plan yesterday. He had little choice. 

Oh and Sanders....lol