really a team soars or flops due to it's coordinators or it's talent and or lack there of and how it's utilized.

Head coaches aren't necessarily the real factor unless they are a total idiot and just do blatantly stupid things...there a few in game instances and certain decisions that they solely have to answer to but put any body on a good well balanced team and they will succeed.

Mike O isn't a total idiot and sure he made a few eyebrow raising decisions but the total team failures aren't because he is the wrong hire..not at all.

When this regime first took over they were behind the 8 ball and limited and time challenged on putting a staff together so the pickings were slim.

But Etch was pooched...as was the first OC and now his successor. ***** and moan all you want but Walters and Miller, as well as O'shea have created an environment and organization that is an attractive destination for players now, as well as coaches. If we don't do the norm...blow it all up and start again I think that next year is going to be the start of a run of very good consistent football.

We were hampered severely by what was going on with the offence and the ripple effect of it hindered the defense. Hall as DC is solid and next year will be a continuation with key guys already in place and familiar with things as opposed to a restart and learn as we go situation like this year. So right there things are already better.

Leggett, Westerman, Bass, Wild, Adams, Randle and Johnson would all start on any team right now, or be key rotational guys so we are looking god there. Anderson too will be way better next year. For a big guy it's tough to come back fully after one year from ACL surgery and generally you aren't back to where you were for 2 years. I've gone through it twice personally so trust me on that.

With the pieces we had on offence as is, with a capable and creative OC we should have been an above .500 team. It was such a basic and designed to fail offensive scheme it almost seemed like Bellfiuelle was paid by someone else to screw us over. Routes all run at same depth, no misdirection..no pulling lineman, maybe one outside toss to a RB all year...I could go on and on...It was literally laughable.

Just a new OC alone next year even if we change no personnel we are already better there too.

Add a stud big play receiver, a back to compliment Marshall, and a big mean s.o.b D-lineman and we are a 10 win team next year....score one or two more studs anywhere else on roster...we're laughing

Your right maybe we can just keep our coordinators next year save some money on a HC and sign that big stud receiver.

Its become very obvious that this forum has polarized into pro and con O'Shea factions, with little common ground. No amount of logic or argument will sway the pro-MOS people and it sure as spit looks like nothing he can do will redeem himself until at least halfway through the 2016 season if he has a winning record by a substantial margin. Either way, every indication is that O'Shea is going to be head coach for at least the start of next year, so flapping our gums will change nothing.

Well I agree no logic for the pro MOS that's for sure.For me I'll be happy if MOS can get us to .500 at least he will improve to average which is lookin pretty damn good right now.

"Come coach the Bombers, we're about as unstable as you are gonna get!" Not my idea of a good selling motto but ...

Compared to what? Montreal that fires a coach every other year or Sask that removed its coach and GM 2 years after winning a Grey Cup?We don't need stable mediocrity.

With O'Shea's limited experience as a coach, he needs to surround himself with great coordinators. He's never going to be the guy to take over the offense and plot a new direction, for instance. Its why moving to Richie Hall as the DC was so important, and why hitting this hire out of the park is so crucial. He needs two great coordinators, and if someone has already shown that they are good at that job, then they move to the top of my list.

Its different when you hire say, Scott Milanovich or Kent Austin. You expect your offense to be good no matter what because they're so involved in the offensive gameplan.

You know you have a great point and is probably the reason MOS will never be a good HC he just doesn't have enough expertise or experience on ethier side of the ball to lean on in times of trouble.He desperately needs good experienced coordinators to be able to run a team.If they promote Buck with his limited experience it's just going to clearly show this limitation.

Well....he certainly got off to a roaring start with MB, Tracy.....and Etch.

I don't get the hole "he doesn't have enough experience" BS. The guy was a starting MLB for how many years in this league? He knows how a Defence works and how it should work. Saying he doesn't is flat out wrong. He's got plenty of experience on that side of the ball, even if it isn't as a coach.

Huge difference between playing and coaching is why not many great players make great coaches.

With O'Shea's limited experience as a coach, he needs to surround himself with great coordinators. He's never going to be the guy to take over the offense and plot a new direction, for instance. Its why moving to Richie Hall as the DC was so important, and why hitting this hire out of the park is so crucial. He needs two great coordinators, and if someone has already shown that they are good at that job, then they move to the top of my list.

Its different when you hire say, Scott Milanovich or Kent Austin. You expect your offense to be good no matter what because they're so involved in the offensive gameplan.

You know you have a great point and is probably the reason MOS will never be a good HC he just doesn't have enough expertise or experience on ethier side of the ball to lean on in times of trouble.He desperately needs good experienced coordinators to be able to run a team.If they promote Buck with his limited experience it's just going to clearly show this limitation.

I pray we don't hear anything (key: HEAR ANYTHING) till the new year. Do your due diligence and once you know who all is available, then make your move. But honestly, there's a part of me that wants them to not make ANY move, keep all in tact, and go 14-4 next year and then hand out a giant bag of **** you's to a whole pile of you....

Thanks Noeller the only problem is I'd gladly take a giant bag of **** for a 14 -4 season!

Why did they bother even dressing Brohm last night? They would have been better served to leave him behind to pack and dressed another special teams person.

Wait till MOS brings him back next year

Wouldnt it technically be up to Walters to bring back a player??

No I would think it is up to the coach who he wants back.You think someone tells Huffer who should play for him?

Bad example... Hufnagel is also the GM...[/quoteOk] Ok Milanovich Austin when he was at Sask we could go on and on any good coach makes the final decision who plays and who goes this ain't rocket surgery here.

No way a GM sticks with a coach from a past regime why would you stick with someone who was hired by someone else?You bring in who you trust.Unless we hire a new GM from within like maybe promote bellfoole.

I've seen it happen when a GM leaves and a popular coach remains, but usually that is a token gesture by the new GM to leave the old coach in place for a year, but it is rare for the old coach to hang around longer than that.

Yeah if the coach had a winning record and was an icon yeah but that ain't describing MOS

No way a GM sticks with a coach from a past regime why would you stick with someone who was hired by someone else?You bring in who you trust.Unless we hire a new GM from within like maybe promote bellfoole.

Earlier in the year, I stated that this team appeared mentally weak. Perhaps a wee bit of confirmation.

The team folded like a cheap tent in the games Willy got hurt. Very few stepped up throughout the season in the face of adversity. I would say that your assessment of the team being mentally weak was spot on.

Yep good on Leggett for saying what is painfully obvious not tough enough mentally and not enough Walbys around to kick some a$$! Even Sask there last game won it and tried to show the fans something for next year.The Blue a lot of them just went through the motions to get out of the game and head home.

Why did they bother even dressing Brohm last night? They would have been better served to leave him behind to pack and dressed another special teams person.

Wait till MOS brings him back next year

Wouldnt it technically be up to Walters to bring back a player??

No I would think it is up to the coach who he wants back.You think someone tells Huffer who should play for him?

Hey Kyle, you could have had Durant. You picked Richards. Great decision. #joemackbad.

I think that's unfair if it's injuries with Richards that's bad luck.Now we could of had both which with our thin Cdn Rec would of made sense.

I too want to know wtf was up with richards..

Either was hurt or he just was awful.... either way I would assume all fans should give up any kind of hope on the guy and just assume it's a wasted pick and hope they do better next draft.

If that's the case then he didn't even live up to the laughable hype that he was the next Jade Etienne.

Well let's give him one more year before we bring out that scenario.I was thinking maybe concussion or serious injury that they want to protect him.

I'd sign Buff for 7x7 in a heartbeat if there were no "no trade clause" or a limited one....he would get more than that on the open market. The Rangers would LOVE to have him, if they could fit him into the cap.

Gotta disagree the cap is going down who knows where it will be in 4 or 5 years you don't saddle yourself for that long of a term not for someone at Buffs age.

Well it's interesting the guy you call an idiot is the guy who called the offence that you said made Durant look good. Now that idiot is calling the plays for Jennings in B.C. We should have some kind of idiot in Wpg.

Yep we should be so lucky to have that idiot as our OC.I agree with Noeller as well Hall ain't going anywhere.Say what you want about MOS but he is loyal to his people.

Sure they have, just some refuse to see what they have done. I'm starting to change my tune on Walters because the lack of talent on the team is somewhat shocking actually, the lack of depth... but... to say they have done nothing is just bullcrap.

I'm not even sure what Millers job is, he's the president and he's done lots to try and improve the game day experience, isn't that his job? His job isn't really the onfield product, that's Walters job. If any of them shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt at this moment, it's walters.

Well I think if any of the deserve the benefit it's Walters at least he has brought in a QB that we can win with.Oh well ☺

Bob McKenzie seems to think Buff will get 7 years 7 million per on the open market... If that's the case, adios Buff. Trade him now while you can really. Cuz no way I'd give him 7 years.

Yeah that's the kind of contract that kills you down the road no way Chevy goes for that kind of term.

Need to change the title to Blind loyalty vs suffering fans☺

When Buff is on he is as dominant as any star in the NHL.When he isn't he can really hurt you defensively. I want Buff but over Myers or Trouba? No.Going to be tough to lose him but I just don't see how we keep him.

Why did they bother even dressing Brohm last night? They would have been better served to leave him behind to pack and dressed another special teams person.

Wait till MOS brings him back next year

I think Davis definitely looked better then brohm. Also putting in Nichols despite Brohm being listed 2nd on the depth chart, should be the writing on the wall and his release is coming

I think we could take Huffer outta coaching throw him out there would look better than our curling skip Brohm.....

That was usually the kind of game where people on a bad team, are exerting themselves mightily......to secure a position for jobs, next year.

Going past about 6-7 guys.....ya could of fooled me. Appropriate finish to a disastrous year. 0 TDs (yet again) and 11 points in a CFL game, will never cut it and some of the tackling on D was a joke, indeed....

Starting next year, nobody should be safe on this team, period. That applies to upstairs, as well.

I know people all around the league.......and most of them look upon the Bombers as either a figure of fun.... or an object of pity. Even the gin does not erase the metaphoric stench.....

Yes, one can put out legit and sensible reasons for not having yet another purge. But frankly, I'm just so tired, of this bull....and the lame excuses and rationalizations for why this team.... can't get it done under any circumstances.

This pretty well sums it up.Not sure why anyone is defending any part of this regime from the top down.We ethier purge now or next year and lose another year to this circus.

bb1, you were not alone in your enthusiasm, which in retrospect was unrealistic. I thought we would be at least an 9 & 9 team with Sask and BCfading, but it was all smoke and mirrors.

Thnks Tracker it really looked like with the offseason upgrades that we were on the way.Then reality came crashing down.I gotta hope that the call of Guelph comes through and we start again.

If the Lawless report about O'Shea and Bellefeuille being retained and extended is true, it would be the worst news the team and fans have had in decades.

LOL!! The hyperbole gets thicker around here by the day...

If Bellefeuille is extended I'd love to see you guys paint a pretty picture with that.We can be positive that Willy will get hurt.There ya go a little positivety!

Why would we? General concensus here is that he is a huge problem.. I mean really, have you seen anyone actually advocating for his staying??

You mean besides MOS retaining him from last year and keeping him here all this year?You know for a fact MOS is gonna can this guy?

A) who could we have replaced him with? Howell and buck so they could run the same lame duck offense?

B ) rumour has it that oshea wanted to can bellfuielle midseason but was shot down by miller or walters.

As ive said.. Its the general concensus that MB is the reason for our woes on offense.. Not just on the forum but everywhere ive seen the bombers problems discussed. If he is still here next season, oshea is definitely off his rocker.

How do you know Buck and Howell didn't have their own ideas on how to run an offense?Rumours are not facts.What if MOS states in the offseason that no one better is available?Your last statement I agree with.

bb1, you were not alone in your enthusiasm, which in retrospect was unrealistic. I thought we would be at least an 9 & 9 team with Sask and BCfading, but it was all smoke and mirrors.

Thnks Tracker it really looked like with the offseason upgrades that we were on the way.Then reality came crashing down.I gotta hope that the call of Guelph comes through and we start again.

If the Lawless report about O'Shea and Bellefeuille being retained and extended is true, it would be the worst news the team and fans have had in decades.

LOL!! The hyperbole gets thicker around here by the day...

If Bellefeuille is extended I'd love to see you guys paint a pretty picture with that.We can be positive that Willy will get hurt.There ya go a little positivety!

Why would we? General concensus here is that he is a huge problem.. I mean really, have you seen anyone actually advocating for his staying??

You mean besides MOS retaining him from last year and keeping him here all this year?You know for a fact MOS is gonna can this guy?

bb1, you were not alone in your enthusiasm, which in retrospect was unrealistic. I thought we would be at least an 9 & 9 team with Sask and BCfading, but it was all smoke and mirrors.

Thnks Tracker it really looked like with the offseason upgrades that we were on the way.Then reality came crashing down.I gotta hope that the call of Guelph comes through and we start again.

If the Lawless report about O'Shea and Bellefeuille being retained and extended is true, it would be the worst news the team and fans have had in decades.

LOL!! The hyperbole gets thicker around here by the day...

If Bellefeuille is extended I'd love to see you guys paint a pretty picture with that.We can be positive that Willy will get hurt.There ya go a little positivety!