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Just now, 17to85 said:
You can make changes to players with O'Shea there too. The Gm is well within his rights to tell a coach how his roster is going to be if he isn't on board with it. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened and it won't be the last. What we know is that Walters and O'Shea are on the same page, arguing about whether to fire O'Shea or Willy rather than Walters is pointless because until the man in charge of building this team is held accountable it's more of the same. The season won't be saved by a coaching change or a quarterback change, we've seen countless quarterbacks here the last few years and quite a few coaches. I use terms like witch hunt because it fits. You really aren't interested in delving into the problems with the team you just want a big shiny scapegoat to pin all the blames on and you bang away at that drum. It's like all you want is the public spectacle of someone being held accountable. I'd rather address what is really wrong with this team.
If they're going to blow it up, do it in the offseason and identify the correct person to be GM and get them here and let them build it. Trying to do a massive foundation repair by putting a new coat of paint on the house isn't going to work.
What makes you think that's going to happen if it hasn't happened already? For all we know, MOS is being told that he has to start the players he's starting over and over and over again because Walters brought them in. Speculation and not worth it imo.
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Just now, 17to85 said:
We've had 3 years to see Walters work and it's been spotty the whole time so that argument doesn't fly, you're just all in for a witch hunt because you want heads to roll. What Willy makes doesn't matter because if you just start picking off the qb it's not going to change the team or the offense, we saw plenty of games without Willy when he's been hurt and it was an even bigger pile of ****. Fire the coach? Well we'll wind up with losers like Hall or Lapo and it'll be the same **** again because it's more of the same Mr. Nice Guy approach. You want to cry for change then cry for meaningful change. Walters is the guy who built this and he is the guy we should be pointing fingers at. We only make changes at qb or the coach mark my words we're going to be sitting here in 2 years time ready to fire another coach and run another qb out of town.
Does using phrases like witch hunt make you feel superior? I want heads to roll and your saying that like it's a negative? This regime isn't failing, it has failed. Yes, heads should roll. Jesus Christ.
Firing MOS, as others have pointed out, has huge upsides. We'd be able to experiment with other players and see what we have through out our roster. As is, MOS has zero accountability built in to this team by playing the same terrible starters game in and game out. Hall and Lapo might be losers in your eyes, but, that would make MOS what? An ultra loser?
Also no one is suggesting only making changes to coach or qb. Both should go but so should others. But that's what people are suggesting, are they? Nope, it's easier for you to sit there clacking away at your keyboard building strawmans to tear down. I bet you have a smug little grin on your face when you argue against peoples ideas that no one has had or expressed here.
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15 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
So you recognise that the problem starts higher up and is more widespread yet spend all your time here on a witch hunt for O'Shea and Willy anyway? Come off it. You just love to pin the blame on the easiest target (the coach and the qb) but we could change them out tomorrow and the team would have the exact same problems because it's the GM that built this crap fest. Save your energy and don't pile on guys who are just trying to make the best of what they were given.
I think your tone deafness with regards to my posts is so bad it has to be purposeful. Canning a GM takes years to build a proper case. Cutting a 400k anchor off your roster and moving on from a bad player takes a day. Just the same that I was years ahead of the anti Pavelec movement I'm having the same arguments with people over Willy. I focus on Willy because at the moment he's over paid, under performing, and the face of this team. Would I send all 3 guys out of Winnipeg this morning if I could? Your god damn right I would. But discussing a GM mid season is pointless.
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3 minutes ago, KptKrunch said:
Careful now - I did that and they want me off these boards now. Try living in a city that has a real football team and a real QB - and going to their games for 13 years - I should be given a medal for as long as supported the bombers - not vilified.
Just now, Mike said:That's not what you did at all and we both know it. You pledged your loyalty to another team, which is probably the worst thing a fan can claim to do in my mind. That's fake fan BS and that's why you get "vilified".
Oh, that's weak. I'd sooner turn off the CFL and never watch football again rather than put on another teams jersey.
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Just now, 17to85 said:
If they were easily replaced then why hasn't Walters replaced them in the 3 years he's been here? If they're easily replaced why is there no depth anywhere on this team? A team that gets as crippled by injuries as this one does isn't going to win no matter who you have at qb. Khari Jones had the same thing happen to him, when the depth sucked and injuries hit the team looked useless all of a sudden. Same with Kevin Glenn. You need good pieces around a qb to be successful. It's simplistic and incompletely analysis to just say "oh the qb is the big problem" or "the coach is the big problem" We have a GM that can't build depth, can't add to talent and is at best treading water with his moves. It doesn't matter what Willy makes, it flat out doesn't. This roster isn't good enough to win and pretending that it is with a coaching change or a qb change is just playing silly buggers.
Because Walters isn't a good GM. That's why. Do you see me defending this guy? He's clearly incompetent. He hired MOS, a terrible mistake. He didn't rectify that mistake by looking to get anyone else in the off season, when it's apparent to anyone with any foresight that MOS isn't the guy. He didn't fill the roster with enough talent, and has failed to do so within his time as GM. But how bad is our team really? Who knows. I think we have such bad coaching from the head guy down to coordinators that they could make the BC Lions or Redblacks 1-3. That debate could be had for days and days.
What we do know is that there's a real stench from this club, from our offense to our defense. But there seems to be a group on here who want to deflect blame away from players they like or perceive as being better than they actually are and re-assign that blame to anyone else. "Willy doesnt' stinks its' the GM's fault for not giving him the right talent around him. Or, "Willy doesn't stink but I blame the O line because they're a train wreck". And so on and so on. No, Willy does stink. Does the offensive line force him to have the worst long ball in the CFL? Lock in on his primary target and stare him down? Does the O line force Willy to hang on the ball too long? No. Is our O line great? Probably not even average. Is our GM good? No he clearly doesn't get the job done. But that doesn't give a free pass to our 400,000 dollar quarterback who's getting boo'd off the field game in and game out.
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Just now, Goalie said:
The QB is only as good as the talent he has around him. Yup. We got a couple good pieces but we got quite a few who aren't good enough.
Then why are we paying someone 400k a year? To plunge to the lowest common denominator on our offense? Don't you go out and get a star QB with that money to raise your team up and have people play up to his level?
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2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
The offense looked exactly the same when Nichols went in. Receivers dropping passes, OL missing blocks and getting the qb cranked. needing 3 downs to get first downs, needing a big kick return to set up field position to be close enough to the endzone to score.
Why is everyone always on the qb and the coach when clearly this team isn't talented enough? We have some good pieces on this team, but not enough of them and not enough depth behind them.
People are on the QB because he isn't good enough and is being paid 400k a year to be bad. But I think you probably know that already, don't you? Your point about other facets of the offense not being good either aren't wrong. But those positions are easily replaced and make a fraction of the salary.
You know, common sense stuff.
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5 hours ago, blueandgoldguy said:
I mean, it doesn't take a CFL insider to figure this out. 1-5 going into his 3rd year stinks. Period. But I think the real test will be Hamilton. I don't think anyone gives us a huge chance against the Eskimos in Edmonton, that place is a real grindhouse for us. You lose to Hamilton too, though, and 1-6 means you should lose your job.
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48 minutes ago, Goalie said:
This won't happen right now so somewhat pointless to discuss it.
so why are you here? or even replying to this thread?
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Just now, do or die said:
BLM has the same number of wins (5) at IGF as Willy.....
gawd.
I'm sure someone will come in and foolishly attempt to blame the offensive line on that, and, not Willy's mediocre play. It's not that I think the line is doing good, or even ok. It seems that there's an almost cult like desire to see Willy be something he's not.
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13 minutes ago, Goalie said:
Firing Mos and naming lapo Or hall coach is probably the worst thing they could do. It changes nothing
i think the worst thing they can do is to re-sign them both to long extensions
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Does anyone get inspired with confidence, at all, listening to MOS speak? He sounds like a high school football coach who's been asked to come in and coach the Dallas Cowboys, and at half time its 40-0 against and he can't possibly understand why.
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2 minutes ago, Taynted_Fayth said:
Lol its only going to the half
ya man. a typo. relax. jesus. distracted with family over.
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somewhat unreal how lethargic this offense continues to be. get a touchdown here tho and you're only in a 10 point ball game going into the half
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I don't have a "schtick" and I'm certainly not trolling. It's a legitimate question. But it's not unsurprising that some folks are more interested in slinging mud than having a rational discussion over O'Shea. O'Shea has such a terrible resume that, really, the only defence of him at this point is to plug ones ears and shout down anyone with an opposing view.
"MOS's record is x number of games below .500"
response: TROLL!!
"MOS only had 3 seasons coaching experience prior to being hired, and that was as an ST coordinator"
response: ugh, running people out of town i see!!
"will another embarrassing home blow out put the coaches job in jeopardy?"
response: oh isnt this just SO typical you!!
Obviously paraphrasing. It seems that our fan base has become sharply divided into 2 camps, and people can't seem to meet in the middle to have a rational chat about it. I understand that comes off as hypocritical because during game days I can fly off the handle in chat (I own that and it's my bad) but on these threads I try and be as subjective as I can, especially lately with emotions running high.
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This thread has morphed into something I didn't quite want, another fire MOS thread. Was a simple question. But I am genuinely surprised to see people taking the position you can't or shouldn't fire MOS no matter what before the season ends. 1-6 should invite the conversation about his firing. 1-8 should, in a reasonable world, mean he gets fired. I can't see a justification for him being kept around in a 2 or 3 and 10 start either.
Obviously we aren't there yet and thats all premature but if you make a blanket statement like "MOS isn't getting fired this year" or "shouldn't" then your kind of exposing yourself to that hypothetical.
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12 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
No, no one is getting fired on this team for a long time yet no matter how hard you pray for it so might as well just stop worrying about it until it actually happens.
So you think mos is safe if our record is 1-6?
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Simple question. Would make us 1-4, and, the fact that it would be a home game would add some fuel to a fire.
This isn't meant to be a debate on SHOULD he be fired, simply the question would it get him fired. To give some context to the question, let's say the score was... 44-10 Calgary. Just as a random score.
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I'm not sold on Chris Jones as management. Is he a good coach? Ya. Can he build a team? Who knows. Totally different skillsets.
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8 minutes ago, James said:
How awful must player be to be released from this team
i just laughed so hard out loud in public.
sweet, bitter laughter.
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11 minutes ago, J5V said:
Look at the throws he was making back then. Beautiful arcing rainbows dropping beyond the DB's reach into the receivers arms. Compare that to the throws he is making now. Most of his throws now lack touch and he isn't putting enough air under the ball. He is not the same athlete he was then.
I get the idea behind posting it, but, the music and the nature of the video itself still fits the bill. A qb that can't win games made to look like Joe Montana.
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10 minutes ago, J5V said:
Was just looking into the previously durable Willy's injury history. Before he came here, he hadn't missed a game due to injury since his sophomore season, when a hand injury sidelined him for 2 games. If O'Shea keeps rolling him out there I don't see him surviving the season injury-free which will ruin the likeihood of trading him. He'd then be an injured QB playing like crap making $400,000 a year.
I really do think his knee injury from last year has messed up his ability to throw accurately and to run and avoid the blitz. He looks horribly slow this year doesn't plant his feet properly. Where is this guy ...?
Have to say that I find this video to be unintentionally hilarious. A highlight package of one of the most unsuccessful starters in the league since 2014
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1 minute ago, KptKrunch said:
Agreed - don't get this. There's only eight other teams. What exactly is a weak schedule? Bombers are in tough no matter who is on the dance card with them, and where it's being played. That's just a fact. Bombers have a 'tough' schedule all the way through the season lol.
Ya. When your one of the two worst teams in the league every game is tough.
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6 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:
Can't see a disastrous season of 3 or 4 wins occurring, the schedule pretty much dictated that they were in for a tough start not withstanding a miracle turn-around. As we see QB's begin to fall throughout the league unexpected opportunities present themselves for wins. Ti-Cats, Riders and Als are all ripe for the picking now but unfortunately none of those teams are on the dance card in the next few weeks and by that time they face the Ti-Cats again they will have Collaros back. Bad luck abounds from a schedule perspective.
If they continue to put in the effort and can improve the O production they should be a competitive team by mid-season, yes their over-all record will suck but they should become a good team if they can resolve their immediate QB woes. Sometimes it just happens that a team begins to look good in the second half of a season and they start the next with a bang at the next level up.
It was a tough schedule to start, for sure, but, we did catch a break already with hamilton and massoli and picked up the win. but, we also lost to montreal in a winnable game vs a pretty bad team (whos only win so far is from us). We had a winnable game against Edmonton too but couldn't score enough in the 2nd half.
I don't think, if this team goes 1-6, that the city will care about scheduling. 1-6 means MOS is probably fired. And rightfully so. That's really the bottom line here. They have 3 changes to save MOS' job. I think our best chance is against Calgary at home but our record vs them is dismal. I'd legitimately wager my house we lose in Edmonton. The question is will it be a blow out or not. After that, if we are winless, MOS -MAY- get a 3rd shot to save job against Hamilton. That's a very winnable game with our D.
MOS has lots of chances to save his job, and it likely starts with Nichols getting in behind centre.
Does a blow out at home Thursday get MOS fired?
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Nothing will happen because the loss wasn't a huge one. Not enough visceral emotion.
Now, on the other hand, if you go to Edmonton and get absolutely rodgered by the Eskmos? Maybe.