White Out
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5 hours ago, WBBFanWest said:
Perfect example of the "if we win, it's just because we were lucky" mindset.
Perfect example of a troll being a troll. I discussed how good our defence was, and, that they were the difference. Never used the word luck or fortune. But you are simply reading what you want to read.
I attribute this win to our D being tenacious and taking advantage of a very bad 2nd string QB. It wouldn't have been enough to simply force them to punt last night; our D actually went the extra mile to manufacture turn overs off mistakes and even score, too.
But you can't help but read it the way you want, can you? Your constant trolling is boring.
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1 minute ago, Goalie said:
Hamiltons 6 turnovers were caused by our D. I don't get why ppl say these things. The D forced those turnovers.
Also let's not forget Hamilton got 7 points off a missed fg and 7 on a play where their guys were 5 yards offside. Goes both ways you know.
Yes as I have already stated, for **** sakes, our D had a great game and stole a win out of the hammer. nearly verbatim.
what does our D having a great night and Hamilton turning the ball over 6 times have to do with our dink and dunk offense?
Unbelievable. Even on a good night with a win, it seems an argument is brewing here with the same people.
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2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
It won the game... How is that not purposeful?
it won the game? or did hamiltons 6 turn overs and our D win the game?
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Just now, 17to85 said:
I don't know why people are dismissing the dink and dunk offense. Ricky Ray used to rape us with dink and dunk. Hamilton likes to blitz hard and it's worked against willy for years. This game we had them chasing the play for a change and i will not complain about that at all.
Dink and dunk is fine but you have to finish drives. Otherwise it's a lot of yards with no purpose.
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5 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:
Your right we should of let Willy drop back in seven step drops all night. Ughh I have almost had enough of this.
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Just now, Jpan85 said:
You guys complain about the dink and dunking but that complete took the TiCats pressure game away. Did we here Lawrence's name all night. That's how you beat teams like the TiCats.
alright, lets not carried away. the cats turned the ball over 6 times and their qb was about as bad as you will get. lets not chalk up the game to winning because of our dink and dunk passing.
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Awesome win. The defense really showed up and basically dragged a win out of the Hammer. We can't expect to get 6 turnovers every game from the other team, though, this game should have been a much bigger spread. Willy was, ok, but really needed to ice the game away much earlier.
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about time we got some luck
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On 7/6/2016 at 3:09 PM, Mike said:
As a bystander to this whole fiasco, it seems to me that the thread only went south because of your entry into it. The discussion didn't degrade itself to the level it is at now until you went on your rant.
Don't know why that was necessary. I recognized things were getting out of hand and withdrew from the discussion.
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I'm going to push away from the keyboard until game day because this is going south so fast and I don't want to be a part of this stupid arguing anymore.
Go Bombers.
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1 minute ago, Logan007 said:
See...this is a good post of talking about something problematic.
You only like it because he's not willing to say the Bombers are as bad as others are, and, he's not calling for MOS's head. That's your line in the sand. Others have posted far more topical posts with a lot more content and reasoning, but because they want MOS gone and changes made you've decided "not good enough, too negative"
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Just now, Logan007 said:
Except we're not the coaches/gm/ceo/bod...so we can't change anything.
And I never said we shouldn't discuss the problems, but there's a difference between pointing out things that are wrong and discussing vs bitching\complaining, which is what I'm getting at which no one seems to understand.
Anyone else notice that Mike, Rich, Noeller, Mr Perfect, Mark H, TrueBlue etc... rarely post. And I haven't seen Voodoochylde post in ages. Hmm...I wonder why? That's a head scratcher isn't it?
So right back to, might as well shut down the forum? This is another appeal to authority. Well, Mr White Out, who the **** are you say anything? You aren't the Gm, Walters is. You aren't on the BOD. Your opinion doesn't matter, and even if you were right, it wont change anything.
Boring boring boring. Get over yourself and your blue glasses. What you seem to fail to understand is people ARE discussing whats wrong but you just dont like how upset people are. Get over it.
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4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
And all I was doing was pointing out the fallacy in thinking that people post more in good times. There are always more threads and more posts when things are going poorly. Nothing more, nothing less. But yet again you have done a lot of mental gymnastics to read something into a post that isn't there.
I am willing to talk about anything to do with the Bombers positive or negative, but what I don't like is all the constant hyperbole that gets tossed around after losses.
That's not a fallacy. A fallacy would be a strawman, appeal to authority, and many other common fallacies that are tpyically pulled out by the cheerleaders on this site. I think what you meant to say is that its a red herring. And you know what? Who knows. The Bombers have never been competitive since this site has been active.
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22 minutes ago, Logan007 said:
Honest question. What in the **** do you want us to talk about then? How sweet the jerseys are? Maybe we can get a 12 page thread going about how awesome our kicker is whenever he gets the tap on the shoulder to kick a field goal.
Get real
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1 minute ago, Logan007 said:
typical.
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55 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:
Good grief man, take it down a notch. Get some fresh air and relax...
I don't want to take it down a notch, to be honest. I'm responding in the same levels to the original post. Don't take offence. wasn't directed at you.
55 minutes ago, Logan007 said:See, this is what I'm talking about. You guys are taking anything we are saying out of context and exaggerating on it. No one is saying everything is rose pedals and daffodils. No one is saying let's only talk about the good things. What we're saying is that some of you aren't discussing anything. You're just here to complain repeatedly. Well no one wants to come to a board where all people do is complain about the same thing over and over and over again.
See that's simply not the case though. People have been discussing the pitfalls of this team and what needs changing. What 17to85 was whining about (sorry but correct word) is that people aren't focusing enough on the good things. I mean, that's such a laughable comment. This team is a total dumpster fire and we're supposed to be discussing things that are going right? Even at 50-50 content that's an insane proposition. What realistically has gone well this year? I mean, honestly? We have a great kicker now but that's being over shadowed by MOS refusing to use him, or botching time management with Willy to get him on the field.
I realize it's not fun talking about all the problems we're enduring but when it's raining people talk about the rain. We aren't going to stand around in a hail storm and talk about how beautiful the sun surely is under the clouds. No, we're doing to talk about the damage to our cars and houses and how shitty the weather is as a way of collectively dealing with it all.
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55 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
and yet the biggest game day threads are the ones where the team is losing. People like bitching more than they like talking about the good things.
..and?
Seriously whats your point? People are bitching. You want them to talk about the good things? What ******* good things? That Iron Mike might soon be fired? The team is a joke and is the laughing stock of the league. I was driving to work a couple days ago in the morning in Calgary and the sports guys were cracking jokes about the Bombers. Not how bad we were that one day, about how we're an annual free space on the bingo card and a total joke of a franchise.
There's being a fan, and, then there's burying your head in the sand. What a ******* joke. You can sit there and enjoy the building caving in around you and comment on how lovely the colour of the tiles match the debris, but some people want to talk about actual events going on.
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20 hours ago, wbbfan said:
logic? here? now? no, this is the time for toxic sentiments, rash decisions, and a trigger finger!
Toxic sentiments- Well, what do you expect? The Bombers have been so bad for so long, do you really expect good natured joking and happy talk? Really?
Rash decision- This is MOS's 3rd year as coach and Walters has been here, 4? 5? Hardly rash.
Trigger finger- Yes. It`s getting about time to fire someone.
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I sometimes wonder if there's just a giant troll job happening on me right now. After watching Willy since he came here, and his abysmal first 2 games where he only got anything accomplished in the 4th when the other team had geared down... to read some people's account of his play and his abilities is jaw dropping. I mean, I honestly am wondering if its just a case of blue goggles. Willy, unlike Pavelec, is a likable guy and we all want him to succeed. He's a polite, well spoken man who I think would be an incredible ambassador for out team and city. But I can put that aside and look at his play and see major issues. He simply doesn't have the ability to read a defense that you have to have at this level if you aren't a mobile QB. Willy isn't mobile, and, he can't get the ball out fast. That's a recipe for disaster.
It's incredibly convenient and easy to just throw ones hands up in the air and clack away on the keyboard about how bad our O line is, but that's a red herring. Put Willy behind the best offensive line in football and they'll still apply the same tactic: blitz Willy and take away his primary receiver. Done. He's shown a baffling inability to check down his receivers properly for someone who's nearly 30 and been in the league for years.
I feel like people who voted him 14th or lower are being dicks, but if you have Willy anywhere outside the 6 to 9 range you're equally trolling or kidding yourself.
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41 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
I refuse to pin all of this or even most of this on the qb. We have a great runningback and they are trying to get him established and it's not working. We know Harris can make things happen on the field, but he isn't and the reason is pretty simple. He's got no room to run with until the D backs off in the 4th quarter because the score is out of reach. It's high time they stop ******* around with the OL and get some American hogs in there who can make **** happen. Seemed like after every play one of the interior guys was getting picks up off the turf. You can't run and offense when the middle of your line isn't really doing much but getting pushed around.
Harris was very effective against Montreal, and his 3rd quarter production alone got the Montreal D to back off of Willy. He had a terrific game. In Calgary he barely touched the ball in the first half. I think he had around 7 or 8 carries in the 1st half. That's it. He's average 4.43 yards per carry. Our running game, when used, has actually been pretty fine. Compared to our tire fire of a passing game it looks like the Dallas Cowboys of the 90's.
Further, there's a massive difference between run blocking and pass blocking anyways. Even if Harris was getting good run block support it wouldn't help anyones case against Willy.
So really what I'm driving at is, 1) Harris has been fine and compared to Willy amazing, and 2) It doesn't mean anything to compare rushing and pass blocking anyways -
Just now, BomberDynasty said:
... Or he would already be out with a season ending injury after getting creamed countless times per game due to the poor job done by the worst OLine in professional football
Lol.
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2 hours ago, J5V said:
This. I don't care if we trade half the team away at this point for an Oline. It has to start here and build from there. Put Willy behind a good Oline and watch him become a good QB again and watch Harris flourish and Lapo become a genius.
I think you're drastically over stating the issue of our O line. Willy is as much a problem with the O line as the scheme and players themselves. If opposing defenses know that the qb theyre going up against is a bad reader of D and a slow decision maker they`re going to make life very difficult for that qb
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20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
yeah but people who dont understand what quantify good/bad blocking, tackling vs alignment errors, and poor play calling have to blame some one. Dont you know losing is 100% qb and winning is who ever looked flashy?
What a dumb post with logical fallacies to boot. No one here is saying it's 100% on Willy. This is the kind of mind numbing garbage posting that really brings down the level of the forum.
Week 3 (vs Ham...Now With Depth Chart)
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Please dont attempt to take the high ground and suggest I'm the one acting in a childish manor. People were making valid points that we have to score and that gettings lot of yards is fine unless you can't actually finish. Valid point. It was jpan who came in and threw his hands in the air and talked about how he couldn't hack it anymore. Right back at you and jpan.. grow. up.