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We can go two directions this offseason. A partial rebuild or a full tear down. There is a big difference. The full rebuild depends on management/coaching change imo.

Yes..but only because if he leaves we will be massively rebuilding

I'm not defending MOS, and I can give you a laundry list of poor GMing over the past 3 years as well but crickets about that. We don't play Dolegala in a Grey Cup and MOS is the worst coach ever, we lose an all star team of talent in two off seasons and it's all nothing to see here...carry on. It just seems over the top. Even have some posters suggesting that Walters did a great job but MOS ruined it which is insane. MOS is likely going to Toronto so we don't need to worry about him coming back, but KW should be given the shoe as well,

True. However, I am simply pointing out the pretty disproportionate amount of blame being assigned to each around here. And I don't believe that after 10 years that is particularly applicable in this case.

There is absolutely no reason in the world we couldn't sign both Lawler and Schoen. We had just done it the year before.

ATM. I'm not seeing how we can compete otherwise. Unless we go big in FA at NAT OL, we don't have the horses in house to be a good OL without 3 IMPs. I would target a good NAT OL if I were Walters replacement. I'm with you on that. If he takes a shave fine, but not at 200k. Those days are behind him. I would not bring back every OL, but you are right a couple newcomers could make all the difference.

How is his record for the past 3 years damning? This year definitely. However, the two years before that he has West division champs and Grey Cup reps on his resume. If you think that's damning you are huffing paint fumes. The only people who would call that failure are living on cloud 9. Did we win the cup...nope. However, winning your division and becoming your division's cup rep isn't something that any reasonable person would call failure. What was clear in the past 3-5 years is that Walters allowed a huge talent drain to happen. That is undeniable. If anyone should be on the hot seat it is him. MOS as well to a lesser extent, but I will be extremely disappointed if Walters is our GM going forward. If he is then he needs to wake up and start doing his job. I can live with MOS coming back with a new GM that actually holds him to account. MOS is a great coach who needs to get out of his own way on a few things. If Walters had done his job maybe we aren't even discussing MOS's rosters etc. At the end of the day, the buck stops with Walters on both talent, and on the performance of the HC. I am really unclear why so many people are hyper focused on MOS (not that he doesn't deserve criticism as well) but barely a word about just how poor Walters has been over the past 3 years especially.

Nope, my name's not Booch. It was discussed on Winnipeg Sports Talk by Andrew Paterson a couple weeks ago or so. He qualified it as something that he never heard directly from anyone in the organization but was making it's rounds amongst the media. Apparently he showed up to camp out of shape, and then wasn't happy about his playing time and let everyone know about it. Don't have a date or a time, but it's on one of their podcasts if you care to dig deeper.

Jonathan Jones sucked when we did play him and was reportedly no better in the dressing room. I get you wanna defend him because you really built him up as our next Bighill...but the reality is he was a swing and a miss by Walters not MOS. We got enuff reasons to not shed a tear if MOS leaves but JJ isn't one of them. Our biggest mistake was keeping him around too long when he became a cancer

I am physically sick to my stomach. I am giving away my Grey Cup tix to Hamilton fans

If Brady doesn't want to be here at a reasonable price I'm good with him moving on

My opinion is that they can easily get back to where we were at but they need Wadzilla to remind them that we don't live on past results.

Can't argue with any of that. Some poor gm work compounded by poor coaching. That is our decline in a nutshell

Not nearly as bad as Tui showed. Did he play Centre..no..did he show an inability to block..yes. Excellent as the 6th in heavy sets is not a ringing endorsement. I am not pleased with Kola but let's not pretend Tui offered more. Our centre position could have and should have been addressed in the offseason but our GM was not up to the task

That speaks to our lack of depth

Nope. I think we still lose. Tui was beyond useless when he played. No reason to believe he would have been better. Tony Jones was very good this year. We saw Cobb yesterday and Echols did nothing to think he would be better. The DL we had last week was excellent but because of players that were here less than a week and Bailey. Bailey was on the roster this week.

Not disagreeing but talent was lacking this year too No. I don't think we were a serious contender no matter what we do with our roster. I thought that my opinion on this was pretty clear

What viable alternatives. Thats BS. Top to bottom our roster got as far as it was going to. Just BS around here suggesting we were sitting on a winning roster. Knute Rockne or Bud Grant wouldn't have gotten this team anywhere. Now the mob will come for me saying I'm an MOS apologist. Nope..I think it's time we move on but I'm not going to say that based on some fictional narrative. The players that came off the bench last week and excelled just got to town with the exception of Bailey. They shouldn't is my point. At least not all of them

Next year likely sees a shake up in management/scouting and coordinators. Collaros will be back but Elgersma and another QB will be in town. New GM will have carte Blanche to tear down this abysmal roster and will be aggressive in FA. Probably seen the last of many vets. We haven't brought in much for IMPs since Rigmaiden left and the new scouts were not good either

Time to clean house. Management, coaching staff, and about half our players. I gave the benefit of the doubt but it is very clear what needs to be done. Everyone owns this fiasco and should be embarrassed. I can only hope for some kind of 2nd half miracle that makes me eat crow for this post. Doubt it.

Yea..those defences were fierce

I can get behind all of that. Biggie and Battle in their primes were both MODP players. Really splitting hairs as to who was better but I too like Battle.

Eugene went with a higher offer. My question to Booch was what players left and stated it was due to being unhappy being a Bomber.

T.Jones performed better than expected this year and didn't hurt us one bit. That being said, I'd love to get the next Adam Bighill. Lobendahn's demise was injury related. He was a beast when fully healthy. That can be said for about 90% of all MIKEs that have ever played in the CFL. We were spoiled with Biggie's ability to drop into coverage. That is not the norm.

Not true at all. I get your point on the make up of this roster but this is simply not true. We have not lost many people for any other reason than GM incompetence. We've heard time and time again how players wanted to stay but the phone never rang. Name this long list of players we wanted to keep but said no and back it up with something more than a I overheard this at the gym or trust me. I can show several media reports of interviews of high profile guys leaving because we wouldn't pay them so surely you can show some interviews straight from the players mouths, not yours, where they stated they were leaving no matter what. I'm not being a **** about this but again you are letting Walters off the hook when you insinuate that there is no way he could have signed some guys.