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The roster we had on the field was capable of winning. Maybe if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle is not a coherent argument to make. I will agree that Collaros not being taken out MIGHT have been a mistake, but one that can not be definitively proven. Maybe we put in Dolegala or Wilson for the remainder and they throw 3 INTs and we lose by a larger margin. We will never know. I do agree that depth has been depleted somewhat, and that in part is what the crux of my argument is. We have people sitting here saying that our depth is depleted but we should play our depth anyway because they are better than who the coaches have identified as starters. Pick a lane, the argument can't work both ways.

Can you say that our roster decisions took us out of any of those games? Nope you can't because that is a fictional narrative. The teams we fielded could have won all of those games if they flip a handful of plays they erred on. I am not suggesting roster decisions can't make things tougher to win, they can. However, whatever lineup we fielded in any of those games had the opportunity and ability to win those games. The fact they didn't is because at key moments of the game they did not make a play they should have/could have made. Pierce, Hall, and Younger have all stated that they tell O'Shea who they want in the lineup and that almost always he makes it happen except for moves made to appease ratio. They meet early in the week to discuss lineups based on new injuries, and then work in collaboration on lineups. Of course, MOS has final say but he is not forcing players on any of his coordinators unless ratio has to do with it. Hall even stated that more often than not we are forcing players on him, and he almost always gets it done for us. Before either of you say I am licking MOS boots, I'm not. Last game his coaching was terrible and is in dire need of improvement. I just don't think it was for the reasons being thrown around this forum. My problem with his coaching was that he did not have the team we fielded adequately motivated and prepared to compete. That is also equally on the coordinators who are very conveniently being overlooked as gross underperformers last game. Dickenson's crew took them behind the woodshed and taught Hogan and Younger lessons. Couple that with a group of players who went on bye week 3 hours too early and we got what we got. I don't care what roster moves we make for that game the result would have been similar because only a handful of guys showed up prepared to play, and the gameplans from our coordinators were bunk.

Go sign Surtain and see if he is not a starter day one. C'mon man....you are reaching on that one. TC a player has to beat the player ahead of him. It doesn't go to the rookie in a tie or if there is even some debate. That's coaching 101 stuff. I like that J. Jones has the potential to replace T. Jones. When he demonstrates that to Osh and Younger I will be happy to see him succeed here. You say he is better now, but our coaches disagree. We don't have guys riding the pine because they are the better option NOW unless ratio comes into play. No coach in the world leaves a guy on the bench that is clearly better than the guy ahead of him with all things being equal. What we call roster mismanagement is valid in some respects, but not all. Some of it is based on the age old fan belief that the 2nd stringer is better than the 1st stringer WAAAAAAAY more often than is the actual case.

You can only construct a roster with who you have available. If that talent is lesser than, that's not on the coach.

Here's the thing, that until they prove themselves better on the field in our current defence. (comparing stats from a completely different team/D Scheme is a red herring) then you are only offering opinion. I have no issue with vets being replaced by younger, better talent if it is available. As you have shown, in your examples (Glass, Cartwright etc) Osh is very willing to make that happen. However, guys around here think they make the best assessment of talent on our roster, and that is fallacy.,

Our DL play is by scheme. That is Younger's D, the same one he played in when he was with the Argos....get used to it. Collaros playing hurt in 2022 was still the best roster decision at the time, whether you like it or not. We lost 3 Grey Cups in a row because big time players underachieved. It is nonsense to say that roster management lost us those games. A small part of it perhaps, but at the end of the day we could have won any of those games with the roster we fielded if we had not shat the bed. Simple as that. To say otherwise is dumb. If you can honestly say that our team played to the best of it's ability but we lost because of how the roster was constructed then you may have a point, but that didn't happen. Our big time players were not big time players in those games.

Have you been watching O'Shea's win/loss record? You guys are so fixated on the bottom 4 positions of our depth chart it has become almost comical. We have not lost a game due to roster management since this notion reared it's head a couple years ago. Roster management is such a minor part of what win/loses games at the pro level unless star players are out with injury. Every game comes down to about a dozen key plays that tell the tale of the game. Big time players make big time plays and they are not found at the bottom of the depth chart. I'm not excusing Osh's roster management, it could be better, but this nonsense that Jake Thomas taking 8 snaps a game more than he should is costing us games is ridiculous. If you want to talk about roster decisions of consequence we can look to stuff like the decision to keep Collaros over Brown, or to let Lawler walk. These are impactful decisions to our ability to win and worthy of some debate. However, then we are no longer talking about O'Shea are we. I think you guys got the crosshairs on the wrong guy. Even dud FA signings this year that can't beat out some mediocre talent ahead of them lies with the front office, not the coach.

Who says we are bringing in talent that is better? Guys have to earn their way into the lineup. I'm not saying that is the case 100% of the time, but it certainly is the overwhelming majority of the time. Seen a lot of grousing that J.Jones , as one example, should be in the lineup vs T. Jones....what I haven't seen is a single shred of evidence to back up the claim that he would be better. Sometimes, guys are on the sidelines despite a guy ahead of them having weaknesses+ because they aren't as good. Name one guy that the scouts brought in that is better than the incumbent. Please provide proof of that.

Absolutely, I am not sure the merry go round on roster discussion is even worth the time anymore because pretty much everyone who has an opinion on it is about as well informed on each side of the equation as humanly possible over the past 2 years and 10000 posts related to it. However, I doubt the discussion dies anytime soon because Jake Thomas is still a Bomber.

Yep. Remember that one as well.

Maybe, but I know for sure there was one on Leila. Later became an Olive Garden then was torn down afterwards.

Used to be a Red Lobster on Leila.

It isn't about necessarily finding the needle in the haystack, it's more about not giving up on looking for it. Doubtful You left about 30 names of suck off the list so I will assume this was your highlight reel of suck.

I think that is an overstatement, but if we get a few more it will impact attendance for sure.

Football is a game won and lost in the trenches. Neither our OL or DL is consistently winning those battles.

I doubt it is scheme as well. All i know is that we have seen way too many mental errors to be blaming scheme. No DC schemes broken coverages. That's 100% on the personnel and their preparation.

That's not all on the Safety but yes Alexander was helpful in that regard for sure.

Jake needs to go. There are others as well.

Absolutely. Wilson coming back from the NFL would help immensely, and some other tweaks here and there. It's not a lost cause by any stretch of the imagination. Vaughters is not playing very well, and of course our interior DL is weak. We need help there. Not sure we have the personnel right now. Time for an airlift. Not gonna pin any of it on the Safety.

I've seen more busts in our coverages this year than in the last 5 years combined. Our D is simply not playing like they should. We predicate on a ball hawking shut down secondary. We don't have that right now.

yea...the bright side is that the playoffs don't start at the beginning of July. Lot can change from now to then if we don't show improvement.

If we play like we can we will be fine. If we play like country club princesses like last night it will be a long season. If we don't see more out of our team than what we got last night then clean house and start the rebuild.

I won't jump the gun on one game, especially given our performance prior to bye weeks over the past several year, however it is pretty evident that our coaches and players all need a swift kick in the ass after that fiasco last night. The lack of execution and piss poor game plan is on the coordinators not OShea. However, it is OShea's job to make sure that his team plays with effort and for 60 minutes. It is also the players jobs to be mentally prepared and ready to play. Everyone took a **** last night. Coach, coordinators and players all need to do a lot better.

Dickey beat the brakes off MOS by having a team that was far more prepared and interested in playing last night. Out schemed is on Younger and Hogan who had absolutely horrid game plans and total lack of adjustments throughout the game.

Inexcusable lack of focus and preparation. Every coach and every player should be embarrassed. When veteran guys like Patty Neufeld are completely turned around and lost on a play it tells you all you need to know about how prepared this team was. The country club atmosphere that seems to have developed after a great start needs to be nipped in the bud right now. It was horrible execution by every position group all evening and that simply will lose you any game you play against any opponent. I don't know how this team continually seems to look so flat prior to bye weeks. Time for the coaches and locker room leaders to change that narrative.