The Unknown Poster

Depends on value. If you can trade Enstrom before the draft and get back young players/picks/prospects, that sounds like a good deal. You still can only protect 3 D. But yes, you would have got something for Toby rather then lose him for nothing. The team you're trading with must want him and be able to protect him. It must also be a city Toby wants to go to. Keep in mind, at this point speculation is you have to expose 25% of your team payroll. So if you protect everyone you want to but the exposed players dont amount to 25%, then you need to expose someone you'd otherwise want to protect. You might need a pricy player to expose. Generally, you're right. If you're going to lose a top 4 D man for nothing, try to trade him for players you wont lose (1st/2nd year players or pics). But its easier said than done. Tony has to consent to be traded, consent to where he's going and find a trading partner that has something to give back and room to protect him.

I would suggest you do *not* have to protect them. You will be able to choose to protect them or not. They will be eligible like any other player. If NMC players were not eligible, then you really wouldnt have to protect them because Vegas wouldnt be allowed to select them. If Enstrom, Trouba, Myers, Buff, we can only protect 3. One of them will be exposed.

Gina would be my pick for a lot of things...

Real thing. Starts shooting this year.

Agreed. As it should be. The NHL's collective business like an expansion should over-ride individual contract clauses.

How about the remake of Road House with Ronda Rousey in the starring role?

Exactly. I would think the NHL would have it built into contracts that they can over-ride the NMC clause. What if a player had a NMC on the Thrashers? He could opt to be a free agent? Stay in Atlanta and get paid to not play? That might sound silly and its different but again, it comes down to the strength of a NMC to take precedent over NHL business and interests. I think NMC wont be a factor and those players will have to be protected or risk being selected by Vegas. And if they ARE legally binding and dont have to be protected, then absolutely the Jets should add NMC to all their pending free agents this summer.

Perhaps we can retroactively add NMC to our key players.... lol They will be resigning Trouba, throw in a NMC and then he doesnt need to be protected. I believe Buff has a NMC for the first three years of his deal. Doesnt have to be protected. I bet they get the PA to relent on NMC and they are included as eligible players. Any team looking to re-sign a guy this season can add a "one year" NMC and then not have to protect him. We could do that with Scheif, Trouba, Hutch, Lowry... seems unfair.

I think they should build in a "suck clause" where you can't get the top pick (or top 2...3?) more than X amount of times in a specific time period. There should be consequences for being terrible at managing your team and those consequences should not be back-dooring into assembling a ton of talent.

Then only negative on not protecting Enstrom is that he will, regardless of what people think, have value in a trade. I believe he has two years left after this season so by the time the draft rolls around, he'd have one year left. So that makes him attractive too. But it bring up another point. Do pending UFA's count as players that can be left unprotected. We're talking a matter of a couple of weeks before they are UFA's... what if a team only had UFA's unprotected (unlikely I know). Vegas is unlikely to pick a UFA so it sort of goes against the spirit of the expansion draft, no? Or am I over-thinking it?

Here is some rumors about test screenings of Beyond (Bit of a Spoiler Alert): This comes from Gustavo, former editor of Trekbbs... “The source is Leo Roberts, a producer of B movies in Hollywood. He has his sources. He is the author of the fan film STAR TREK PHOENI. According to him, Paramount was doing several test screening, and they are worried. There was a screening test in Los Angeles, then, he said, it was not difficult to notice that the public did not like the movie (apparently the Enterprise only appears at the very beginning of the film and Kirk does not receive another Enterprise) and the same public hated the end. That’s no secret, I am a friend of Roberts since he produced his fan movie in 2010 and he posted the information with details on my Facebook page which caused several trolls. Justin Lin praises AXANAR the same week that Paramount politely asked him to reshoot BEYOND.”

The 3 D thing is going to anger teams. As noted, if the Jets have Toby, Buff, Myers, Trouba in their top four, one of those guys has to be exposed. And we're lucky that Morrissey will likely be protected as a "2nd Year Player". I think where Vegas might luck out as far as getting some decent forwards is bad contracts, if that can be called lucking out. Any teams wanting to rid themselves of a bad deal, even on a decent talent, can expose him. Especially if they have to expose 25% of their salary. That might get Toby exposed because not only would the Jets need to leave one of their four D exposed, but they will need to expose some salary. According to 1290, Daley confirmed that second year players are still second year players until July 1. So presumably the drafts would be June 2017 thus doing the Jets a big favour. Ehlers, Morrissey, Copp, Petan, Comrie would all be protected, along with first year guys like Connor, Lemieux. They'd protect Helle, 3 of their top 4 D and most of their forwards. Jets might luck out big time.

Harper is really good. He was getting pretty over for awhile too but they seemed to just shoe horn him into the hillbilly role. He could be a solid upper card guy in my opinion. He knows how to work. There were rumors Stroman was a way better worker than it seemed and he was being held back until WrestleMania where he could show his stuff. But you're right, that seems crazy because he looks so uncoordinated. He's a huge guy so there is merit to using him, but he should still be in NXT learning to work first. But Vince (and Hunter) are body guys. Just be thankful they changed their minds on him as there was talk of him vs Undertaker one on one at Wrestlemania for awhile!

The rights issue is confusing. The way I understand it, Paramount owns the rights to the films. CBS owns the TV rights and original trademarks that the films are derived from. Paramount was basically told to make a movie or lose the rights which is why they ended up making Star Trek in 2009. But they have to license the trademarks from CBS. The reason they went with a "new" universe was Bad Robot owns the rights to derivatives. Their plan was, if successful, they would create all new Star Trek licensing deriving from the new Universe and Bad Robot would control this creatively and financially. One of the reasons speculated for JJ Abrams jumping to Star Wars was he fought with CBS before STID came out, over merchandising. Bad Robot wanted CBS to stop merchandising original TOS Trek as it was confusing the market. TOS merch was still a big seller, more so than the new stuff and they refused. Bad Robot also wanted to make an animated series based on their "universe" and a TV series. The political in fighting drove JJ nuts. Bob Orci recently confirmed on another forum that he tried really hard to "unite" the two sides of Trek (Paramount movie/CBS Television) but didnt have the stroke to make it work. The speculation concerning the new TV series being set in the "Prime" universe and possibly "around" the time of TOS is because that era is still a big money maker for CBS and they want to take advantage of it. CBS couldnt launch the TV series in 2016 to take advantage of Trek's 50th anniversary because of a deal with Paramount to wait six months after release of their third film to do so. If the series took place in the alternate universe, it would basically mean CBS licensing Star Trek to Paramount and Paramount licensing their derivatives back to CBS. Too many cooks in the kitchen. However, it is interesting that one of the Bad Robot writers, Alex Kurtzman is the Exec Producer of the series, but also interesting that his former partner Orci, who was the self-processed Trek expert/lover, was not invited by his buddy to take part. There has been rumors that Bad Robot was under investigation for how they spent money and Paramount wouldnt continue with them after their three-film Trek deal. Im not sure of those details because I think Paramount has other deals with Bad Robot. But it seems the only connection between Bad Robot and Trek now is that JJ is still a producer, even though Justin Lin is the guy in charge. Expectations are, unless Beyond is a surprising hit, that Paramount might not be making a 4th movie. They have Pine and Quinto under contract for a fourth film as part of a deal where those two wanted raises to make Beyond or they wouldnt come back. Bob Orci submitted two different stories for Beyond before he was fired as Director and writer. He still holds a producer credit but doesnt really have that power on the film. Rumors are Paramount thought his stories were "too Treky" and one of them might have been too close to a previous Phase II story Planet of the Titans, creating trademark issues. Bob's stories included Nimoy and Shatner. In fact, my theory (although Bob has sort of denied this) is that when it was leaked last year that Shatner was in the story, that it was Bob who leaked it (or had it leaked). It was around the time Paramount was rejecting Bob's stories. The leak created a ton of positive press and the idea is that Paramount would have caved to public demand/interest in William Shatner returning and thus, save Bob's job. It didnt work. Although Paramount was foolish, in my mind, to reject Shatner. But it seems Paramount has some sort of issue with Shatner. Im hoping the film rights end up back under one company, namely CBS, who has done a really good job with Trek in recent years. Their work restoring the TV shows (TOS & TNG)_ were way better than Paramount's work on restoring the films. Star Trek is tailor made for a Cinematic Universe (which Bad Robot realised) but it cant work with two companies fighting over the direction.

Nice! I frequent Trekmovie.com and occasionally Trekcore. Bob Orci (writer of the two Bad Robot films) frequents Trekmovie and often interacts with fans. He's not overly popular though as he has argued and insulted some detractors. The best example was last year, he went on late one night and started really attacking a few of the people who had been critical of his work. His posts were really angry, unprofessional and had some spelling errors. His log in name was also written slightly different. So everyone assumed it was a troll but the moderators confirmed it was Bob. We all assumed he had been drinking. It was a day or two before the news was released that he had been fired from Star Trek Beyond. Seemed like he was handing out receipts... He's calmed down a lot since then. He's not around as much but still pops in.

Two gold stars for the Sinatra reference. Always good to be timely. Cormier makes sense.

Oilers won. 'Bout time

I stumbled across TOS as a kid. I thought it was "new" and my mom told me she watched it when she was young. As I got older I just fell in love with it.

Which trek board? also, agreed about Enterprise finale. Awful stuff.

Lol beats me. Maybe bending over backwards. Seems to be moving ok so I'll guess he works WM.

Bray Wyatt has a significant back injury.

Exposing 25% of salary would result in some significant players being exposed. i dislike.

Yes. And it was magnificent.

JJ admits he was a Star Wars fan not a Trek fan. He took the project with the arrogant presumption he was going to "fix" Star Trek by making it more like Star Wars. Trek doesn't need fixing. It just needs to be made by people that understand and care about it.