Brandon

Considering how poorly the team has played in the last three years this isn't such a huge drop off...

So in other words you have no idea what you are talking about lol. Back in the Attitude era most fans were shilling out for both WWE and wcw ppvs.

I'd be curious to see how the ppv sales were back in the attitude era compared to today...

In the 90's Vince simply copied ECW and Paul Heyman. Paul let the wrestlers create there own persona and used more adult and realistic characters with an edge to them. Vince created Knuckleball Schwartz, Garbage Man, Flex Kavana, Flash Funk and many other garbage outdated personalities. He was so out of touch he can thank ECW for saving his butt.

I don't know how one an debate that Kane is not a goal scorer... his negatives are more so along the lines of him not being able to pass , taking shifts off, taking dumb penalties , taking way to many shots.....

So you've been a season ticket holder for the Blue over the last few years?

Well in fairness Shane Carwin throws absolute bombs that blew many fighters away and Brock not only took a huge ass kicking he ended up coming back. With Overeem he's a bloody K-1 champ and in the first 4 minutes of a fight he hits as hard as anyone in the sport. Brock isn't a wuss by any means... I think his health issues ultimately made the decision for him. It's way easier to dabble in the WWE and make a million then for him to get seriously hurt for only a little more.

Well Brock unfortunately is a part of a division in which the high end talent is extremely thin... I don't think they can justify headlining ppv's of Brock vs guys with .500 like records...

I seem to remember watching the special on the history of the UFC and them saying that they produced the show on their own dime and that Spike allowed them to air the program since they were desperate for any programming. Brock brought in fans but not from WWE promoting it. What's funny is WWE is now using the UFC to try to promote its product by bringing in Brock and trying to implement submissions which look ridiculous in a WWE ring.

If or when the Blue win another Grey Cup I think the feeling will be more of a huge monkey off the back rather then jubilation.

Its not like the ufc is losing any money on its events. Its still very profitable.

Well I don't agree with UFC gaining most of it's success because of WWE promoting it... most people gained interest in the UFC because WWE became stale and the UFC with Ultimate Fighter 1 was extremely interesting and they started showing FREE FIGHTS on Spike which gave UFC the exposure it needed. Myself and my friends lost complete interest in WWE pretty much right after they bought out WCW and when ECW had folded. Once the Rock and Steve Austin both left to make movies they simply didn't have any big stars that were interesting at all. I don't think anyone of those same friends could name 3 wrestlers in the WWE right now (aside from the oldies). Back in the late 90's you would see a tonne of people wearing Austin 3:16 shirts and everyone knew the Rock and his one liners. The problem with the UFC I think was that they just shoved to much down the throat right now... for the casual people it's impossible for them to keep up or become a more hardcore fan because the roster has expanded to something ridiculous (500 plus?) people and it's very hard to keep tabs on what's all happening. A few years back when they used to do ppv's that alternated between Pride and them it was much easier for a casual person to follow along since you would always have a few main stays on each card (Liddell, Couture, GSP, Hughes etc...) now days on each card even myself who I'd say is pretty hardcore can only recognize maybe half of the people fighting on each card. It's much to overly saturated.

Being the 2nd biggest MMA fan on this site I can mostly point to the deal with fox as the main reason for the decline in interest. With so many free cards that are nearly or even superior to the ppv it really has over saturated the brand and with watered down cards I just don't have a tonne of interest in paying big money when I can wait a week and watch a card for free. The ultimate fighter is also a joke and needs to be killed. Also the lack of Pride hurts since they put on a very entertaining product. WWE will never go edgy since the kids market is much more lucrative.

And if we ever went adult again I would watch again. UFC is starting to trend downward and a new ecw show could capture some of that market.

The man definitely was not good with money And couldn't really compete holding a show in a smaller venue once a month...

Paul Heyman won't go to spike since he burned his bridges big time with ECW and the pre spike TNN...

It's a good core... Just no superstars among them.

Trading January for Glenn is a horrible idea.

Paul Hey man should go back on spike lol

Forgot to mention a very old Rudy Pilous.... http://www.hockeydb.com/stte/winnipeg-jets-9023.html http://www.hockeydb.com/stte/winnipeg-jets-9024.html

Well rumour was it that Warrior was a gay male escort in his early days... I thought Buff had a bad car crash and was in bad shape these days?

I believe Buff as cut from the WWE because of his attitude

Well the big income was back when WCW was going crazy signing anyone and everyone and Buff did enjoy some of that money....

I would say the downfall was the coaching way more then the guys they brought in. Lots of the random new guys were quite talented and played great.

In fairness the garbage local wrestling was also very entertaining.... I don't think I laughed so hard as the time that I was out in the country to see the Honkey Tonk Man piss drunk in the ring singing his theme song for nearly 20 minutes straight and while some "local" wrestlers missed every spot and one ended up getting double legged takedown by a drunk lady in the crowd and he wasn't able to out muscle a 40 year old lady on top of him lol.