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That's what some people have been saying about Glenn for years. He's not the guy to put a team on his shoulders and lift them up on his own, but he's a guy who if he's surrounded by good players he fits in. That's the whole reason a bunch of people wanted to run him out of town the first time, because he couldn't make people better than they are.

You can defend against erroneous attacks. If iso kept his attacks to simple stuff like the record then there's no issue but he goes into things that are easily argued.

You see once again you miss the entire point. I love to argue, the problem is that you started bitching and moaning about the fact that I didn't let you get away with your bullshit so in an effort to ease up I said I'd tone it down as long as you did, but you didn't so now I am wondering why. The problem with comparing your criticism of Mack is that you invent things, when I criticize Lawless it's all the truth and much more about an opinion than pretending it's all fact like you do in regards to Mack. Don't worry, you can't get me worked up because I don't get worked up about this stuff like you do. Have you ever seen me complain about people arguing with me? That's the entire goal here.

Well when you want to stop inventing make believe arguments about Joe Mack I'll stop arguing with you. It's totally different because I'm calling Lawless a terrible writer, which he is. Nothing more nothing less. Just stating the simple fact that since Tait moved to the Jets and Turner stopped doing anything the Free Press coverage has been laughably bad and Lawless is part of that.

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Maybe it's not what Lawless writes but how he writes it? You don't need to be an expert to know that he's not a great writer. He always has an agenda he's pushing, he changes his opinions that were oh so strong in one article seemingly at the drop of a hat... he's basically the newspaper version of an internet troll. Guys like Ed Tait and Randy Turner were fantastic covering the Bombers in the paper, now we get this current bunch of losers... it's a damned shame.

his big flaw was not hiring the right coach. Fundamentally his approach was not that dissimilar from Popp or Buono, but he didn't have an all time great coach like Buono who always developed a qb or Calvillo for decades. The guy had the approach that you can replace players which isn't wrong but you need a good teacher and leader at head coach if you're going to do that and he failed spectacularly at that aspect.

no I wouldn't give up **** for Glenn at this point. Let Desjardin sit on an unhappy qb. He may think he's got the control here but he really doesn't. No one is desperate enough for Glenn to give up anything good, the only one desperate to make a trade is Desjardin and that's his own fault.

So you're not going to start whining when I keep arguing with you about it then?

We had Brink, Elliott, Goltz to groom and how did that turn out. Turns out Mack was a lousy barber nah he just hired lousy barbers.

yeah no worries here because both the league and players know that they need to get a deal done. Most of the players are very replacable and the teams know that if they don't play games there's no league. They'll work something out eventually.

I hope to god that's not how reporters are taught. They should be reporting the facts not trying to lead people into soundbites that fit the conclusion the reporter wants to have.

You can't offend me and that's not what I'm talking about. I told you in another thread when you said how tired you were of this argument that if you'd stop with the blind hatred I'd stop calling you out on it but you jumped right in here so you can't blame me for wondering why you had the change of heart right? If you want to have a rational discussion about Joe Mack I'm all ears but all you do is ***** and ***** and ***** and blame him for everything under the sun even if it's not right.

Stopped for A&W on the road one day and I ask for a large fries because I was hungry and I'm a larger than average person and the small portion is bullshit... and they tell me they can't do it cause they only have one size of fries... what the hell is that nonsense? You'll give me a giant keg of coke which is pure sugar but I can't get a reasonable portion of french fries?

He was also fired a long time ago, I don't see the need to keep the constant attacks going when Walters has made some questionable moves all on his own. I also won't give Walters credit for increasing the budget for football ops because that's not the GMs call. Going all the way back to Taman they've been cheaping out on that kind of thing so now MIller spends more and we give Walters credit? No assign credit where it belongs. You seem to think that if Mack had a billion dollar budget we'd win. Sorry, there's no way I subscribe to that theory. Mack was incompetent. Incompetence doesn't suddenly change because the guy has a bigger budget. He'd just have more $$ to waste. Nothing would have changed. He was brutal. Mack's the reason we're in this mess now. If you give the man credit if he wins then you have to criticize him after he loses. for a guy who keeps saying you don't want to argue about this anymore you sure are quick to start the attacks you know that right? What I'm saying is that you and others constantly ***** about how few scouts and how few coaches the team had... well that comes down to the budget right? So why give one GM credit for having more money to spend than the other? You have a very clear agenda when it comes to Mack and it makes your opinions very hard to take seriously because anything you can spin into being Macks fault you do it then start whining and crying when someone challenges it.

He was also fired a long time ago, I don't see the need to keep the constant attacks going when Walters has made some questionable moves all on his own. I also won't give Walters credit for increasing the budget for football ops because that's not the GMs call. Going all the way back to Taman they've been cheaping out on that kind of thing so now MIller spends more and we give Walters credit? No assign credit where it belongs.

The CEO hands out the cash, but it's the GM who decides how it should be spent. By most accounts, he's doing a very good putting together the football ops. It doesn't matter what you think he should be making as a GM. Point is he could have taken more money for himself and chose instead to put it into areas that would be more beneficial to the team. You seem to have the same MO as Lawless lately. Nobody will accuse you of cheating on Mack if you say something good about Walters... yeah but if a GM isn't given the cash what's he supposed to do? Look I like some of the stuff Walters is doing but it's gotten ridiculous the way people talk like it's been hit after hit. It's all still unproven, but I guess that's the Bomber fan way. New is better and if it's not well there's lots of buses to throw people under.

It's the way expansion teams always look. Get lots of old nearly done guys cause you're the only team that needs them then have a ton of rookies and unproven players.

Another drive by of the past regime? Come on that's lazy writing. Seems like he's tooting Walters horn when maybe he should be tooting Millers horn more. It's the CEO not the GM who gives out more money for operations staff. And let's be honest here, Walters based on his experience level should be making less money as a GM too. It's an article that really is Lawless' MO. Hype up the people he likes while cutting down people he doesn't. There's nothing ground breaking there and until we see the results on the field it's all just self serving.

Maybe he asked for a signed Watson jersey and not actually the player.

so I'm guessing he's not one of them smart qbs.....

So they downgraded to an inaccurate headcase who was no better from further away. Good job coaches.

I'm sure it was a stupid move.

so it's official, you'd ***** about Ray as a bomber? Esks fans always bitched that he couldn't make a play without fantastic protection and his arm isn't that strong... How about this, Bomber qbs haven't been put into a position to succeed because they're had shitty o-lines, shitty offensive coordinators and sometimes shitty receivers to work with?

Just out of curiosity ... why? Doesn't strike me as cerebral enough to coach. How cerebral must one be for a QC role? if guys like Marcus Brady and Jarious Jackson can be coaches in the CFL then so can Buck Pierce. I dunno if he wants to or if the Bombers want him to but I don't think he's unqualified for at least a chance anyway.