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For all the love Marve gets on this board, the repeated message from the media and what the coaches tell them is that Brohm has basically been locked into the #2 position barring some major collapse, and with Marve flat out saying he's leaving for the NFL next year, I can't fathom the club using up what amounts to a developmental roster spot on a guy who wants to bolt at season's end. I know his scrambling and enthusiasm score big on the emotional love scale from the fans, but keeping him doesn't seem to be the logical move unless he's the clear #2 and pushing for top spot, which by all accounts from those who make the decisions, he isn't. Just because he wants to try the NFL doesn't mean he's automatically going to get a shot. He could be back quite easily. The NFL has a long, rich history of signing back-up CFL quarterbacks...........well at least there must have been ONE somewhere along the way, no? Graham Harrell. Pat Barnes

For all the love Marve gets on this board, the repeated message from the media and what the coaches tell them is that Brohm has basically been locked into the #2 position barring some major collapse, and with Marve flat out saying he's leaving for the NFL next year, I can't fathom the club using up what amounts to a developmental roster spot on a guy who wants to bolt at season's end. I know his scrambling and enthusiasm score big on the emotional love scale from the fans, but keeping him doesn't seem to be the logical move unless he's the clear #2 and pushing for top spot, which by all accounts from those who make the decisions, he isn't. Just because he wants to try the NFL doesn't mean he's automatically going to get a shot. He could be back quite easily.

I just listened to the radio but I thought that it was a pretty good preseason game all around. Some guys stepped up and made some plays. I don't know that anyone really played their way off the team so from that standpoint it's good. Make the decisions hard. If you complain about that game I think you are really trying hard to find things to complain about.

Actually I would not be surprised to see Yantz as one of the first cuts. There is no benefit to keeping a Canadian quarterback around and at this point I think he is pretty clearly behind all the other qbs, so in that case why bother to keep him? They don't make decisions based on feel good stories.

and what about the guys who look good in practise but falter when the lights go on? Or the guys who don't stand out in practise but get it done in the games? Those things happen every year. You are doing a disservice to the team if you make all those decisions based purely on what guys are doing in practise. You know what practise tells you? It tells you which guys aren't good enough physically to compete and in that case you can cut them safely without giving them game time. You want to see more vets and win the game, OK but your assessment that you can't evaluate people because there's less starters is a bit silly. Evaluation isn't just about how many yards a guy gets or whatever. Coaches can watch the film and see who is doing their assignments correctly or if someone is getting physically over matched. It's just really silly to be worried about the roster for the first preseason game when it's on the road. GIve some of the new faces a shot and see if what is happening in practise matches up with what happens in the game and then make some cuts and focus on getting ready for the regular season.

Then a winner would be determined by playing Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock... oh wait. https://youtu.be/ROhPZtLSfDA I prefer two man sack races on consecutive sundays.

The point is that when he looked good the book wasn't out on Printers yet and teams didn't play to just keep him in the pocket. Once he came back and people knew what he was about they took away his legs and he couldn't beat them with his arm. We simply don't know if Marve can do that yet. Being able to scramble and run is a good asset for a qb to have, but they still need to be able to pass from the pocket first and foremost. Agree to disagree. There's more than one way to be a good QB. If you're a Ricky Ray type, that's from the pocket. If you're a Flutie or Reilly type then it's from moving the pocket around and using your legs when needed. Printers had a great year, went to the NFL, wasn't the same when he came back. He turned out to be a one trick pony. His biggest problem wasn't throwing from the pocket, it was that he wasn't the brightest bulb in the box and his team wouldn't go the extra mile for him. Marve's had less than 60 minutes of playing time behind a horrid O line. Of course we don't know if he can pass from the pocket yet. Being a pocket passer is a good asset to have, but it's not the be all and end all of playing QB. You still fail to grasp the point. Flutie and Reilly could and also can pass from the pocket so keeping them there really doesn't limit how effective they can be. That's what makes them so dangerous, they can hurt you any which way you like. Same deal with Burris or Durant currently. Can you name a qb that was effective who wasn't able to pass from the pocket but could run? They usually have a good stretch and then get figured out. There is more than one way to be a qb, but a qb that can't pass from the spot where qbs spend most of their time is a guy that won't be any good. What in the less than a game of playing time behind a horrid O line makes you think that Marve's one dimensional and can't throw from the pocket? I've said many times Marve hasn't had the opportunity to show it or not, but that's the key, until we see if he can do it it's still a mystery. The CFL is littered with guys who looked good when they could scramble all over but failed to sustain it when forced to be a passer. I am taking a wait and see approach with the guy. I want to believe in him and hope he can prove himself, but until he does it's still a question that needs to be asked.

What do we suppose the odds are of the game being archived somewhere? I gotta go out and pretend to be an athlete tomorrow night (I do a poor job pretending but that's besides the point) and I would love to be able to watch the game at my leisure after the fact.

heh.. This made me laugh.. Are you talking to yourself? No, But i'm pretty sure this statement would be just as true as if you were. The difference is that my opinions ARE fact.

The point is that when he looked good the book wasn't out on Printers yet and teams didn't play to just keep him in the pocket. Once he came back and people knew what he was about they took away his legs and he couldn't beat them with his arm. We simply don't know if Marve can do that yet. Being able to scramble and run is a good asset for a qb to have, but they still need to be able to pass from the pocket first and foremost. Agree to disagree. There's more than one way to be a good QB. If you're a Ricky Ray type, that's from the pocket. If you're a Flutie or Reilly type then it's from moving the pocket around and using your legs when needed. Printers had a great year, went to the NFL, wasn't the same when he came back. He turned out to be a one trick pony. His biggest problem wasn't throwing from the pocket, it was that he wasn't the brightest bulb in the box and his team wouldn't go the extra mile for him. Marve's had less than 60 minutes of playing time behind a horrid O line. Of course we don't know if he can pass from the pocket yet. Being a pocket passer is a good asset to have, but it's not the be all and end all of playing QB. You still fail to grasp the point. Flutie and Reilly could and also can pass from the pocket so keeping them there really doesn't limit how effective they can be. That's what makes them so dangerous, they can hurt you any which way you like. Same deal with Burris or Durant currently. Can you name a qb that was effective who wasn't able to pass from the pocket but could run? They usually have a good stretch and then get figured out. There is more than one way to be a qb, but a qb that can't pass from the spot where qbs spend most of their time is a guy that won't be any good.

No you take a ton of crap because of how many mental gymnastics you perform to try and make your misguided opinions seem like the stone cold truth. You have a real bad habit of believing that your own personal opinions are 100% facts and only ******* would disagree with them.

The point is that when he looked good the book wasn't out on Printers yet and teams didn't play to just keep him in the pocket. Once he came back and people knew what he was about they took away his legs and he couldn't beat them with his arm. We simply don't know if Marve can do that yet. Being able to scramble and run is a good asset for a qb to have, but they still need to be able to pass from the pocket first and foremost.

You actually think I'm ripping anyone a new one with my posts these days? LOL. You seem to have forgotten what it looks like when I'm ripping someone a new one. Go back and see my posts regarding Kelly or Mack if you want to see what it really looks like. No the point was more about how you completely over react to the smallest and most common things. We're all making fun of you

I'm sure tburgess will be along shortly to rip the Argos a new one for not even caring about winning the game dressing all those backups and leaving all those starters out.

Why do you keep bringing that up? Nobody, but nobody, is trying to turn Marve into strictly a pocket passer. But why you are missing is the suggestion that Marve must be able to show the ability to pass from the pocket. There's a big difference. It's not me bringing it up. I was replying to a post where the poster said that Marve needs to prove himself as a pocket passer. That's pure bunk. I'm not 'Missing anything', I'm disagreeing with the premise. There's more than one way to play QB effectively. You're splitting hairs by using the word 'strictly'. Marve is a scrambler with a big arm who's accurate on the run. He doesn't just run the ball, he extends plays with his legs and throws. That's something that most QB's can't do, Willy included. Before anyone goes off about how I hate Willy or how I think Marve should be our starting QB, that's not what I'm saying. Willy is our best pocket passer. I have zero problems with him being our #1 QB. I'd like to see him get pulled earlier in games he isn't being effective, but that's a coaching issue IMO, not a QB one. OK, but what is the opposing defense just plays contain and keeps him in the pocket? Can he pass from the pocket? Cause that's all anyone is saying, if you can't pass from the pocket you won't do much in the CFL. It's Casey Printers syndrome. Don't let a guy use his legs he's gotta be able to beat your with his arm.

Brohm must have an attractive personality. I'm pretty sure Bellefeuille's history with Brohm goes a few years back. Woudn't be surprised if there was a bit of a bromance there. Also, the team probably doesn't want to look stupid for trading an asset to acquire him. The team is interested in winning games not justifying trades. I know a lot of people around here want Marve to be the man, and I'm a fan of the guy, I really am, I hope he does turn into a great player... but the fact remains that Brohm isn't a terrible option either and if the coaches like his work who are we to argue? He seems to be able to pass the ball pretty accurately from what I've seen of him. The only concern would be whether he's too immobile. Brohm being #2 isn't about politics at all in my estimation, simply about him being a more polished passer than Marve at this point. If Marve shows his ability to pass the ball from the pocket then he will undoubtedly climb the depth chart because of the added dimension of his mobility, but I don't know that he's there just yet simply because he hasn't been in a situation where he has had to show it yet.

Wait so the guy who was #2 last year is impressing the coaches enough to not change the order? POLITICS!!!11!!!!

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Just like how last year in camp for the Bombers Maher was looking good and then wound up having a craptacular season when it started for real?

so basically it's a chance to impress for a lot of new faces. Just don't get the qbs killed, that's all I ask.

I just didn't see anything from Portis to impress me. Too innaccurate and tries to just tuck and run too much. Wouldn't be comfortable with that guy at all

Really? Cause i thought that he was noticably not as good as willy brohm or marve. Yeah he threw a few good balls but he also was missing a lot too. Came away a lot more impressed with the other qbs. I thought Marve looked fine today but I thought Brohm struggled again. Brohm often has trouble finding an open man, when the others QBs don't seem to be having the same problem. Willy has looked good all TC.I was there for the first and second scrimmage today. Were you there for both? Yeah we were there all day today. Brohm did have some issues today but i think when he throws it's a lot more accurate than portis. Based on the two days i saw portis is the wprst of the three and marve might take the backup jpb from brphm but remains to be seen in the games. I suspect we start with willy brohm marve as 1-2-3

Really? Cause i thought that he was noticably not as good as willy brohm or marve. Yeah he threw a few good balls but he also was missing a lot too. Came away a lot more impressed with the other qbs.

The Banjo Bowl game was not as close as the score indicates. The 'Riders were up 27-8 at the half as a result of a blocked field goal touchdown return and a Dressler punt return TD because of an absolutely brutal missed call by the refs on a blatant hold. The Bombers only got back into it when Durant got knocked out with the elbow injury. But the 'Riders exposed the bad o-line (5 sacks) and weak run defence (196 yards, 6.3 yards per carry) that gave every other team a blueprint on how to beat Winnipeg for the rest of the year. Only a late fumble gave the Bombers a chance to steal the win, but Willy threw deep on first down and overthrew the receiver for an INT. Another late turnover gave him another shot, but this pass was even more forced and another INT. To be fair, he was being rushed all second half on his passes due to poor protection, but those throws were on him (which he admitted afterwards). Hopefully he won't be shell-shocked from all of the hits he took last year and he will display the patience he showed in the early comeback wins, and it goes without saying the line protection needs to be 100% better this year to give him any chance. Sounds to me like you described a close game.... It doesn't matter that the Riders were up at half time, this is the CFL, we've seen it countless times where one team can come out hard at first but then the game winds up close. Games are 60 minutes long for a reason. The run D problems were only really a problem on Labour Day. For all the rushing yards in the other games the Riders didn't have much to show for it and it was Bomber turnovers on offense or special teams play that did more damage on the scoreboard than the Riders running the ball.

No I remember it now, There was definitely at least one ball late in the Banjo Bowl that Willy tried to force that was turned over. as far as getting quicker at throwing, I think players can definitely improve that aspect, but Willy to me seems to be the kind of guy that likes to use every second that you give him. You give him more time he'll just take that time. Coaches will likely have to convince him that he needs to make a conscious effort to be quicker.