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wait why would people assume he's talking about Winnipeg and Durant and not you know... the Riders who he was recently with who went and spent a crapload on qbs recently...

you mean the year after his only CFL MOP season and after he'd compiled the bulk of his career stats? Hardly a nonbiased poll. Allen has his reputation because of his longevity nothing more.

Durant AINEC. I don't care if he had trouble in Montreal last year, that team was a mess. Darian Durant is a good qb who knows what it takes to win the CFL. Past his prime? sure but as a backup you can certainly do a hell of a lot worse.

Dual threat is a useless argument because when talking about overall effectiveness of a qb it doesn't matter if he did what he did by running and passing or just by passing. He was an average qb regardless of whether he got to that level by being able to run and pass or not. I am not ignoring his MOP either, but it is a pretty arbitrary award when you consider how the voting for it is done. Glenn had some seasons where he was among the top players too. Damon Allen gets over rated because his career numbers are huge, but his years played were huge too. He was an average qb. There were always a bunch of qbs in the league that were very clearly superior to him. They didn't stick around as long but if you went and did a ranking of all the qbs at a given time Damon Allen was never going to be in the top group, which is what made him average.

you mean when Calvillo retired?

No he wasn't, I am looking at the entirety of their game and Damon Allen was an average quarterback. People just got so used to talking about him as this all time great because of the huge career numbers he put up due to playing forever and a day, but it's the same reason Glenn has all those numbers, played a long long time. Maybe we shouldn't even Judge Glenn so harshly for his lack of cups anyway, the Stamps still choke in the big game with or without Glenn there, 07 I firmly believe he would have beaten the Riders that day if not for a broken arm... I just think that Damon Allen is over rated and Kevin Glenn under rated.

1 MOP and Glenn could have easily been MOP once as well. Like I said playoffs are another matter but the legend of Damon Allen is far greater than the qb he actually was. Guy was always in the same situation as Glenn, he was good enough when you have nothing else but teams were always looking for better. I already said there's a big difference in their playoff performances but regular season? Damon Allen was an average qb.

The only time I'd consider Damon Allen better than Kevin Glenn is in the playoffs. If he is in the hall then Glenn can get consideration too, though the lack of Grey Cups does hurt his chances, but he's been a fixture in the league for nearly 2 decades, that kind of longevity can be recognized.

There's no way that's real right?

but I've heard of them! They must be good!

haha I was just about to post that someone clearly hadn't had a look at the Montreal qb situation.

Kevin Glenn and Damon Allen are actually pretty similar guys in my mind as far as regular season qbs go, the real difference is that Allen didn't have the problems in the playoffs that Glenn does. Now obviously they're very different qbs stylistically but I also felt they were sort of average qbs who lasted a long time.

Other than his citizenship, which doesn't matter given his position, what's the big difference between Bridge and a guy like Lefevour? Both suspect passers who try and get by on their athleticism. Did Bridge do anything that wasn't improvising on a broken play at all? Not like he's a fresh faced rookie in the CFL either, he's been around for a few years and is still the same guy he always was. I just don't see the hype. Is it cause he came into games after Glenn ****** things up and was OK? Cause that's a totally different situation than starting games in the CFL.

Every db gets burned now and again, it happened a hell of a lot less with Randle than anyone else. To me he's the glue of the secondary and if we can get some improvements out of Walker and Alexander just being more experienced then it should bode well for the unit.

Well last year they said Glenn was better than Nichols too. The simple fact is that if the Riders were going into a season with a turnip as their starting qb they'd try and claim that it was better than Nichols too.

I just hope that they continue to get better at bringing in recruits from the states because that is the only way to reliably be a contender year in and year out in this league. You can't pay everyone FA money so you have to be able to lose people and not worry because you have a guy no one has heard of ready to step in.

Neufeld isn't any kind of long term solution. Perhaps he's a place holder, but they've drafted too many OL too high in the draft for these guys to not be options sooner rather than later. If they were not interested in going at least 3 canadians on the OL why didn't we draft receivers and linebackers higher in the draft instead of always linemen?

Any position on the team where this doesn't hold true?

And if they can't then they better re-evaluate their drafting strategy.

They've spent how many high draft picks on offensive linemen? That's how it will be different. We gotta play Canadians somewhere, might as well be in positions they've invested the draft picks in.

Randle no question. I really do think we need to work towards 3 Canadians on the OL.

OK so the replay officials get it right, but you are still only giving coaches the single challenge for it but it's something that the refs can miss in real time way more often than that, in addition to all the other stuff that might need challenged. Honestly I've never been a fan of the review process. There's always going to be human error in reffing I'd just let them ref, or you just take them completely out of the equation and review everything all the time. I stand by the PI being a gross over reaction to a badly blown call in a playoff game which has made things worse in the long run.

The only time they've really nailed making Kylo Ren seem like a bad ass is at the very start of The Force Awakens when he stops a blaster shot, more stuff like that would have helped establish him as a real threat.

Honestly with a bit more thought he could have made the movie he wanted to and it could have been great. You want to focus on Luke and Rey and the Kylo overcoming Snoke then you absolutely do it, but let's not waste so much time on two other story lines that are ultimately big failures and a waste of time. Roll the rest of the rebels off into just one side mission, come up with some objective they're working towards rather than just trying to run away. Gives them something to do without wasting a bunch of run time on useless stories. Then you have time to explore more about the Kylo/Snoke relationship and flesh out the character that is supposed to be this big bad and that way when Kylo Ren turns on him and kills him you have made Kylo much more threatening than simply having everyone repeat "kylo ren, such a bad ass". Show, don't tell. Rey and Luke can still work in much the same way, though I wouldn't have wasted as much screen time on Luke being reluctant to help, but that's purely because it contradicts what we learned in the first movie about his goals.

but PI is a subjective call, which is why reviewing it is crazy to me. By the letter of the law you can probably find PI on any play, which is why so many coaches went on fishing trips so much and it was so successful. It was a gross over reaction to one missed call in the playoffs a few years ago and it's made the game worse. Just let the refs call PI on the field and screw it up or not, feels better when it's screwed up in real time than when it's still screwed up after review.