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so no, of course not. That person should not be doing such things, and should be punished for it, for sure. But to just ban the First Amendment because of this one scenario, is like chopping off your head because you have a toothache. It's nonsensenical. So what is your position exactly? Do you seriously want to throw away free speech? Because I find that just abhorrent. And so would Eric.

I will wear this post like a badge of honor, given it's coming from Captain petty insults Mctrolly. And believe me, you passed "beyond acceptable" a long time ago.

Look, I can cut and paste from Wikipedia too! Looks like the US has a problem with Communists too...yikes. I guess it explains the objection to calling a large chunk of the DNC communists. What's that expression about protesting too much? Explains a lot. Many very fine people to go around I guess.... African Blood Brotherhood All-America Anti-Imperialist League American Artists' Congress American Labor Party American League Against War and Fascism American ***** Labor Congress American Peace Crusade American Peace Mobilization American Student Union C Civil Rights Congress Constitutional Liberties Information Center F Friends of Soviet Russia H Hollywood Anti-Nazi League I International Labor Defense International Workers Order J Jefferson School of Social Science John Reed Clubs L Labor Research Association League of American Writers League of Struggle for ***** Rights N National Campaign Committee for Unemployment Insurance National Council of American–Soviet Friendship National ***** Congress National Student League North American Committee to Aid Spanish Democracy P Progressive Party (United States, 1948) R Russian War Relief T Trade Union Educational League Trade Union Unity League U Unemployed Councils W W.E.B. Du Bois Clubs of America Washington Commonwealth Federation Workers Alliance of America Workers Film and Photo League (USA) Y Young Communist League USA Young Pioneers of America

is the person using the N word also a person of colour? And why use such an extreme example? Talk about missing the entire point. On purpose.

Actually I was talking about the Canadian election. I assume you were being deliberately obtuse.

especially if you're a Democrat.

not picking a fight with anyone.

I thought you just said that Hillary was irrelevant. You lost me. In terms of popularity, ok, great, she's more popular. She's the most popular loser. Awesome.

I think Mark was well within the bounds of this forum to bring it up. Not sure why this is irrelevant at all, but feel free to bring it up with Mark via PM.

yes she was denied the chance to do just that, thanks to Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Florida, all states that were "supposed" to just vote the way they were told.

you bet. I was just giving an example - trying to say that Tommy Douglas is a "socialist" by today's standards is a fools game. Much like trying to say George Orwell would support the abolishment of the First Amendment.

and she ******* lost.

are you saying that there might be some deliberate obtuseness here? I thought that was my thing.

Fair enough, but I also think punching Communists in the face is totally acceptable. Where do we draw the punching in the face line? And who is a "Nazi" anymore? The term seems to have lost a lot of meaning these days, as everyone is a Nazi.... Since when does the NDP run consistent surpluses. Look, you want to stick your head in the sand, be my guest. Is there a "socialism for dummies" book? That sounds kind of redundant. So you are saying that right now, the Left and the Right are both being inherently dishonest, and so therefore free speech should be abolished? Is that your takeaway? If so, I agree with the first part, but disagree with the second. LOL - here we go again.

she won the popular vote because of two states. That's why she lost the election. There I go again, pushing facts.

I do find it hilarious that you are trying to compare Leftists from that era and say that they are in any way tied to the Left as it stands today. Seriously, have a look at Tommy Douglas sometime. He never ran a deficit in his life. Can you honestly say that he is a "socialist" by today's standards? I can't. And you can't either, if you are being honest. What Orwell stood for is true liberalism, an ideal that is pretty much dead. It was hand-in-hand with freedom. I think Bill Maher can be a real jack-arse, but he's one of the guys on the Left that I can stomach, because he believes in freedom too. Maher hates the whole anti-free speech movement. So did Orwell. Eric would not be standing by your side right now. No way, no how.

that's just so wrong, on so many levels. My "boi" Orwell would have a problem with that way of thinking.

I think Orwell would be extremely disappointed with both sides of the ledger in the US right now. Just as I think Tommy Douglas would weep if he saw what happened to his dream of affordable Canadian health care. And sorry, but if you think your "boi" would be cool with far lefties wanting to see the First Amendment abolished, then you haven't thoroughly studied Animal Farm.

and what I find Orwellian is the Left's continual attacks on free speech. Check out interviews with Antifa slime-balls, the first thing they say they want to do is abolish the First Amendment! Why is that I wonder?

and we're back to this nonsense. Here's a deal - stop labeling people with racist terms like "white nationalist", because they don't just fall in lock-step with everything you say, and then guess what, you will stop being disgusting. Because it is disgusting. And if you are lumping yourself into the 98%, then you are truly delusional. no, it's pretty cut and dried - those who win the electoral college win the US election. That's why some people figured out that you should actually campaign in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, and some were too arrogant and lazy to even try. The whole point of the electoral college is so some states with bigger populations can't just over-run smaller states. We should look into this in Canada, maybe Quebec wouldn't be given SNC Lavalin treatment if we did. It is funny though how Democrats never said boo about the unfairness of the electoral college until they lost. That's actually hilarious. She was extremely unpopular. That's a fact. https://news.gallup.com/poll/243242/snapshot-hillary-clinton-favorable-rating-low.aspx

Once again, you broke my irony meter. You owe $12. my cheerios and my computer screen both are taking a major beating today. Ok, let's look at the conversation again. You openly asked why Zontar is "allowed to post" or some such language. Even though he doesn't break any rules here, and is generally respectful. So then why wouldn't he be allowed to post? Because he says things that you disagree with? I ask the question, and used the term "free speech' which I know is a trigger for some, and am hit with a lecture about hate speech, which isn't applicable to the discussion at all, but "thanks". So it's pretty logical to assume that you, or some here, feel that what Zontar says is "hate speech", even though it isn't. He's just saying things that you disagree with. I disagree with a lot of things he says too. But he is allowed to say it. He's not breaking any rules of the forum. Once you start censoring people, or even calling for it, just because you disagree with them, you do enter the world of the absurd. And it's just not a place anyone should even be considering, because we are supposed to be a free country.

I think you mean the 2015 election.

good grief, back to these stupid insults. Just disgusting. Winning the popular vote in the US is like having the most shots on goal in a hockey game. It is a nice stat, but is meaningless in the standings.

Nothing you said above is true. I don't "attack" people, but I do disagree with them. That's not the same as endorsing censorship, which is just wrong and totally Orwellian. This "whataboutism" is pretty silly actually (hey look I used a virtue signaling word, that's cool!).

too bad you won't open your mind up to what he has to say, he was bang-on as to exactly why Trump won, and why Brex-it happened. And if you won't listen to what he says, then the same thing will keep happening over and over again.