kelownabomberfan

no, it's not evidence.

I'm pretty offended by this. But yes, to avoid me wanting you banned for spreading hate, I can go to PM.

oh but I say that you do engage in all kinds of hateful behavior. Do you actually? Does it matter? I have decided that you do. So therefore now you can't say anything. You've lost your right. That's how it works when the lines get blurry. Understand now?

yes, that's definitely is proof all right. Just wow.

NO I obviously don't. But I do see you participating in a lot of behavior that seems to defend, deny and deflect, so there is that. I find a lot of your views incredibly repugnant, and your posting style to be beyond acceptable. So can I censor you because of that? If not, why not? You are engaging in hateful behavior. In my opinion. As for the First Amendment, here's a guy who I guess would now be lumped in with "white men" who are "unable to humanely articulate a message". This turned out to be his last speech before he was assassinated: Is free speech antithetical to racial justice? Martin Luther King, Jr. would have been surprised at the suggestion that the pursuit of racial justice requires censorship. On the contrary, he understood as well as anyone that the First Amendment was crucial to the civil rights movement. King spoke passionately in support of the First Amendment on April 3, 1968, the day before his assassination, in what turned out to be his final speech. In Memphis to support a sanitation workers strike, he proclaimed: This, he continued, was the cry of people “determined to gain our rightful place in God’s world.” But the struggle for freedom and justice faced resistance, including an injunction, and this is where the First Amendment came into play: The speech moved to other topics, coming finally to its famous conclusion: King’s vision of the Promised Land included equal rights for all, and those rights included freedoms of belief, speech, press, assembly, and protest. First Amendment rights, in his view, were crucial for reaching this land long promised, and part of what makes it the Promised Land. The Promised Land, then, is not simply a “safe space.” Social justice is not achieved by eliminating “microaggressions” or requiring “trigger warnings.” Student activists, whatever their cause, should recognize and insist on intellectual freedom for all.

you said this did you? OK - so I decide that your narrative is nasty. Do you now lose your right to say these things? If not, why not?

I'm just going to say that I disagree with this comment 100%. I also don't know why "white men" and "white nationalists" have to enter discussions about such basic concepts as free speech. It really is baffling. Is this what they are teaching in schools these days? It would be interesting to sit in on a lecture where a prof is pooping on free speech, as I'd like to have a solid debate about it and why they think this right to say what you think is "disingenuous", and only valued by "white men". Also, don't "women" value free speech? If not, why not? This just nauseates me, that something so basic a freedom that so many have died to protect, is so easily just dismissed as something unimportant or only exists to protect those who are incapable of "articulating messages humanly", whatever that even means. Who decides what a "humanely articulated message" truly is? And at what point does that become so blurred, that even those who support such nebulous and vague interpretations of what speech is allowable, suddenly become the enemy. What then?

if you saw this scene in context, what Carrey's character is doing is standing up to the US government who at the time were destroying people's reputation in Hollywood for their apparent beliefs and participation in Communist activities. I thought it was really a great scene, as their actions were truly an abuse of the First Amendment, to not allow these people to have their own views, and to destroy their entire careers over it. A truly dark time in American history. I really dislike communism, but I support 100% your right to talk about it. Ha ha yeah that was in the Extras section of the DVD. Carrey's commentary was hilarious.

and if they follow this advice and blame everyone but themselves for the loss, they'll lose again. Whoever wins, be it Joe or Bernie, has to stump in states like Wisconsin and Michigan. Leave Jayz and Beyoncé behind, and go do some real electioneering. They also need some policies that American voters can get behind. What policies are there out there other than "Orange Man bad". Not that isn't a huge weapon, but they might not want to rely on that as their only platform plank. Like who? Warren? Booker? Harris? Klobuchar? Beto? Buttigieg? Castro? Gillibrand? Hickenlooper? Inslee? Ryan? So the Dems were nearly wiped out and they didn't seem to change much if anything. Do you really think the Republicans will change anything? I agree that they need to be kicked really hard in the pants before they change anything, but will this be enough?

I think both Stephen Harper and Obama deserve a lot of credit for what they did to get North America out of the glue. That was some tough sledding, and it was good to see Canada and the US working together to solve the problem.

ummm...what?

I don't know what you are saying, but here's what I am saying: Free speech is incredibly important. As Jim Carrey says, too many people have paid for this right in blood. We can review it to ensure that we get it right, but the bigger picture is so important. People should have the right to say what they think. We lose that, we lose everything.

agree 100%. All Trump did was kick the can down the road. The Depression that is coming now will be way worse than it would have been had Trump not been elected.

if they have someone worth voting for, I agree. If they don't, it's going to be a tough slog.

And once again, I disagree. We all have opinions, and we should state them freely. If there is "hate" expressed, it shouldn't be tolerated. But also, just because you are posting something that someone else disagrees with, that doesn't make it "hate". It just means they have a different opinion.

Right. I agree. Words matter. I am in full agreement that there is no place for hate speech. Just like the electoral college in the US, perhaps there should be some changes to the US First Amendment to be more like Canada in this regard, in how we don't tolerate hatred. I support that 100%. Perhaps we're just not understanding each other. I'm pretty passionate about free speech. I see it potentially disappearing, for a lot of wrong reasons that I don't agree with. That's just me.

I just don't like Nazis or communists. The fact you guys seem to be offended by that I find telling.

oh good Lord, now you are making this crap up. This is just disgusting. I really really am disappointed in you guys. This is just plain awful, to even think that I equate these two words, and then to spin it this way to try and push your Orwellian doctrine, is truly the lowest of the low. I am truly nauseated by the horrible things I am seeing on display here from certain people. As I said, I think that people should be punished for using such language to demean people, but to kill the First Amendment, that's just so awful. One day, when the thought police are beating down your door, I hope you remember that you were a part of the group that wanted it this way.

no, not really totally right. But it's not exactly a level playing field around here so....

Thanks for that post, and it makes good points. Perhaps the US system does need an overhaul. But do it now. It's too late to change 2016. This is like saying that the Bombers should be awarded the 2007 Grey Cup. It's over guys. Change the rules to allow instant replay, and now reffing mistakes that cost us that game are caught. Fair ball.

of course I was, there was a direct correlation to the 2016 election, which was obvious. Stop doing it, and we're good.

I don't like Nazis, or Communists. What the heck is wrong with you? Yup, you really have no filter. Yup. If you honestly think I am defending "Nazis' (whatever that even is any more) then you have passed trolling, and have gone into the lunatic zone. I didn't do that at all, just wow! is all I have to say in response to these continual attacks. Just wow.

exactly. Just wow.