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Thanks for quoting the 3rd down nation article. A quick google search shows that Dr Steinman is involved with Questcap, who has developed an unreviewed Covid-19 antibody test that by their own announcement "Results from antibody testing should not be used as the sole basis to diagnose or exclude SARS-CoV-2 infection or to inform infection status". Antibodies are present if you've had Covid-19 or Cov-2. That doesn't mean you are immune to the disease. Isn't putting everyone together in one place 24 hours a day the very definition of "Close prolonged contact"? The whole idea of a training camp is to prepare for the season, so everyone is by default talking about what would happen in the regular season.

Extended care homes and training camps are both places where you put a bunch of people together and take care of them through outside people. In my example, all staff wear PPE and take the necessary precautions. If anything, they have to be even more careful than people taking care of professional athletes because messing up can have way worse consequences. You can do anything other than the physical stuff from home, over the internet. Same goes for anything a coach can write on a white board or a blackboard. Players can do as many mental reps as they want to without actually being there. Players can work out at home. The physical stuff that involves other players is the only thing that they need to be at the facility for. The less interaction with other people the better it is for everyone. I've never heard the MB health dude and that's a pretty poor descriptor anyway. Considering you keep replying to me, I'd guess you really don't have anything better to do. Optimism doesn't mean anything when it comes to a pandemic, neither does being a problem solver or an engineer. Just a bunch of red herrings. Excessive touching is now what you want me to believe? (I think your serious so I'll laugh even harder) When you arrive 2 weeks prior to camp and you are tested, that just means you don't have Covid-19 on that day. 2 weeks of perfect self quarantine mean you most likely still don't have it, but there are no guarantee. You want me to also believe that every player, coach and support staff will also follow perfect quarantine protocol. That's what has to happen before no one inside can give or get the virus. Now add in all the folks who come and go as they please, and the idea that no one could possibly get the virus goes out the window. Look at the German soccer league who quarantined and then played in front of an empty stadium. 2 of their players tested positive in the first weekend of play, proving that quarantining teams together isn't so perfect after all. I'm not afraid of getting the virus. I do all the grocery shopping for the family because I'm the one who is at the least risk. I'm in my 60's so my chance of dying is greater than 20 and 30 somethings, but I'm not worried about dying if I do get the virus because the odds are still over 95% that I'll survive. My fear is that I get the virus and pass it along to someone who can't handle it, like one of my 90+ year old in laws or my wife who is immunosuppressed. I take the proper precautions. That's what any thinking adult should do. Wear a mask. Not only to protect yourself but to protect others in case you're sick and you don't even know it. Players and coaches and all the support staff should wear masks to, for the same reasons. They aren't facing known cases of Covid-19 on a daily basis like front line so I don't think they should wear full PPE, although the Dr's and training staff probably should and will. If covidiot's were only putting their selves at risk, then it wouldn't matter to me, but they're putting other people at greater risk without giving them a second thought. Who cares of someone elses parent or grandparent dies. I want to go out and get my hair cut, have a few drinks, and watch a football game.

I'm suggesting that you're not reading what I'm typing. If you were, you'd acknowledge that it's not just about the players going out into the world. It's also about all the staff and their families and everyone they contact. Maybe you;re just ignoring everything that doesn't work for your "argument". No, I've never been in a pro camp and no, that doesn't matter one little bit. Re-read my first paragraph if you still don't get it. Still no source for your prolonged contact idea? No, you don't have to have prolonged exposure to an infected person with the virus spewing out of their mouth onto you. You can pick it up from hard surfaces up to 3 days after it lands there. From the article I linked to: "individual or group activities that have close prolonged face-to-face contact such as football are higher risk", so no, football players don't have less of a chance of infection. They have a greater chance. Do I think a football player would answer his questionnaire incorrectly so he could practice with his team? You bet I do. As you say, they are chomping at the bit. I also know that you can be asymptomatic and still pass the virus on to others. Let me tell you a bit about my own health questionnaire experience. My in laws are 90 & 93. They live at a very good long term health facility here in Calgary (They're the only reason we moved back here from Vancouver). At the beginning of the pandemic, they made everyone going into the building, including staff, fill out a Covid-19 questionnaire. Then they gave you a sticker saying "I've been tested" that you had to wear to move around the building. After the first Covid-19 outbreak, they added a temperature test to make sure you weren't running a fever. Then they stopped all visits to residents except for end of life situations, confined all residents to their rooms, stopped all the activities like the gym and movie nights and started delivering meals directly to the rooms. That looked like it had worked as planned for a couple of weeks as no new cases showed up. Then came the second Covid-19 outbreak while visits were cancelled and residents were confined to their rooms. The only way that could happen is if someone brought it in from the outside and either lied on their questionnaire so they could still get paid or was asymptomatic. As for my game story. Of course it's dumb. It was meant to be tongue in cheek and sarcastic. Sorry you didn't pick up on that.

Manitoba allows Bombers to resume training, practising amid COVID-19 pandemic .... The following guidelines should be followed: • Continue to offer virtual instruction or training where possible • Individuals must use the self-screening tool before reporting to work and should stay home when ill • Individuals must be screened for symptoms prior to participation each day of the activity, and are not allowed to participate if they are ill with COVID-19 symptoms • If indoors, hand hygiene stations should be placed at the entrance and strategically throughout the facility • Shared equipment must be cleaned frequently. This can be done by participants, but staff should ensure this is being done regularly • Individuals are given information on social distancing. Indoor facilities must post signs indicating physical distancing guidelines • Ensure enhanced cleaning of indoor facilities, particularly washrooms • Encouraging individuals to shower at home and limit use of locker area • Removing any common use items from locker rooms • Posting signage for guidance on shower area use to maintain physical distancing • If locker rooms are used, consider modifying their use in order to maintain physical distancing • As well, a disinfectant spray or wipes should be available for participants to disinfect locker contact surfaces before and after use • Enhanced and frequent cleaning and disinfection of locker rooms will be required • Areas of congregation (e.g. team benches, pool edges) will require creative solutions to adhere to physical distancing guidelines. This can be done in consultation with provincial and national sport-specific COVID-19 guidance, where applicable .... The Bombers released a team statement following the announcement from the province: “We are encouraged by today’s news that professional sports facilities are permitted to reopen in MB as per guidance and direction of public health officials. We will however wait for final confirmation from CFL to allow teams to open their facilities.”

So much misinformation. Being covid free when you test, doesn't mean being covid free forever. You're not cleared as covid free. Every time you go out, or your family goes out, or anyone you come in contact with goes out, you can catch it. Even if the players were in lock down, the cleaning staff, the food services staff, the laundry staff, the equipment staff, the coaches, the assistants, etc. won't be locked down. Any one of them could bring covid into the quarantine zone. That's how covid got into care homes. Putting a lot of people together is how "super-spreading events" or disease clusters happen. It's how how covid spread in the Alberta meat processing industry and how it would spread if anyone brought it in from the outside in the CFL. In that case the whole team would have to go back into 14 day self isolation and give up 2 games in the process. Covid-19 is not transmitted through "prolonged physical contact". The CDC's site says: "The virus that causes COVID-19 is thought to spread mainly from person to person, mainly through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. Spread is more likely when people are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet)." The Mayo Clinic and Web MD agree with the CDC and add a bunch of other useful information about spreading Covid. None of them talk about so called 'prolonged physical contact" In football, all the players are within 6 feet of one another for most of the game and I'd argue that 3 or 4 hours is prolonged exposure anyway. Covid-19 is floating out there. It's also on surfaces where it can live for up to 3 days. No, it's not 'looking for hosts' because it can't look for anything. It is waiting for hosts to come in contact with it. It will then infect them and no it doesn't matter if you're young or fit. Covid doesn't 'know' any of that. Young folks do have the highest survival rate. Because they can fight the virus, they are more likely to continue to work when they are infected, which in turn makes it more likely that they can pass it on to others who don't have as high a survival rate. Football players aren't like store clerks. They can't hide behind Plexiglas partitions. The can't social distance. They can't just walk quickly by other people and turn their heads away. Players are constantly in very close contact with other players. Therefore, players should wear masks at all times and no, not the crappy home made ones that only stop 5% of the transmission. The professional grade ones that stop 95% of the transmission.

Lets actually be honest. No blocking. No tackling. DB's must stay 2 meters away from receivers at all times. Same holds true for LB's and RB's, well everyone for that matter, so it's 2 yards between the OL and the DL. All players must stay 1 meter apart at all times, including meetings, huddles, and all other teaching. That's just at practice. In an actual game, there is no way to play football if the players have to social distance. QB drops back to pass. No one can get within a meter of him or tackle him. He throws to a receiver who is at least a meter away from the nearest DB. As long as he catches the ball, it's a TD because no one is allowed to tackle him or, just hand it off to the RB that no one can touch. TD on every play, but wait... No offence needed because all Kick offs would be returned for a TD or kicked out of bounds, which would result in a re-kick.

I suspect it covers contract employee's, but don't know for sure. My point is that CFL players should get what other Canadian employee's get, not a penny less or a penny more. The Americans get the US payment and I'd be happy if the Government changed it so they could also get half the CERB.

CERB gives employee's $2K per month for up to 4 months. The Canadian players should be eligible for that. American players are in Canada, paying taxes for half the year, maybe they should be eligible for $1K per month for up to 4 months. Offering the league minimum would be way more than other workers in Canada are getting for not working.

That's a horrible way to negotiate. Never go in with a number you can't justify. If you do, you get the other sides backs up and it makes it harder, if not impossible, to come to an agreement.

The PPV idea is fatally flawed. TSN makes it's money selling ads. The more people who watch the games, the more those ads cost. PPV greatly reduces the number of folks who watch, which in turn, greatly reduces the amount TSN can charge and bring in. They'd be better off putting all the games on TV and giving the CFL the contracted amount of money for the number of games televised.

Here you go again. Continuing to pretend that I said something I didn't, even after being corrected then calling it stupid. Adding in the 'you hate everything the Bombers do' whine is another part of your shtick. Neither are true, but the things you make up give you the excuse to 'call me out' pretty much every time I post. If you could just learn to ignore my posts, everyone would be happier.

The thread wasn't derailed. It had already gone to Simonise and if he'd had a fair chance or not. Just GN20 miss reading one of my posts again then whining about it. It's kinda his shtick.

It didn't suggest that to anyone who can comprehend simple sentence structure. It started with "The guys who were shamelessly pumping Simonise's tires want to believe they were right about him...". If you're not one of those guys, then it's not about you and it's certainly not suggesting anything like what you're saying it did. You love to 'read into' what's being said, get it wrong, then whine about it.

My comment was about those who were pumping Simonise's tires. If you could just ignore the comments that aren't about you... that'd be great. Simonise got all the chances he deserved and did nothing with them. We had better Canuck receivers so we cut him. It's just football.

The guys who were shamelessly pumping Simonise's tires want to believe they were right about him, so the story becomes 'he wasn't given a chance'. It's easier than admitting they were wrong in the first place.

The Feds are printing more money daily in an effort to keep our economy running during the pandemic. Every few days there's another announcement of another industry that's getting federal money to survive. The CFL is no different than any other industry. They have their hands out asking for federal money to survive, but they are a long way down the list. I can't imagine the Feds giving the CFL $150,000,000. I don't believe that the overhead of not running a season is that much either. They will probably agree on a number that's significantly lower that keeps the CFL on life support.

On my first day of Contract Law class, we were told that one party makes the contract and the other party gets to interpret that contract. If there is more than one way to interpret the clause, then it's the fault of whoever wrote the contract. In this case, I can see why the CFLPA is interpreting 'The CFL is suspended' to mean suspended as suspended instead of the league folding completely. The wording will change in CFL contracts going forward. The question becomes 'What do they do now'? I don't think either side wants all player contracts to be torn up and all players to become free agents. Giving in on NFL dreams for a few players is the path of least resistance.

No chance of a CFL season until the borders are re-opened and the social distancing rules eliminated. No borders = No Imports. Social Distancing = No fans in the stands.

Dickinson is a breath of fresh air in coaching circles in so much as he actually answers questions when he's asked them. I like his style.

I completely disagree with your "give them a consolation point for trying but failing" or that the drive itself matters without finishing it off. If you give it away or miss the FG, the drive doesn't mean anything. "Look at that poor kicker who just missed a 10 yard FG. He must feel horrible. We'll give him a point so he and his team feels better". Kick offs are scoring plays if the ball is kicked into the end zone and the returner can't bring it out. Same thing as a punt and a missed FG. The rules should be the same no matter how or when the ball gets kicked into the end zone (Missed FG, KO, Punt). 1 point if you don't return it out of the end zone. 0 points if it's kicked through the end zone without being touched. (Alternatively, 1 point for all kicks into the end zone that aren't returned out of the end zone.) I don't think the change would make the CFL any less Canadian, just more consistent.

I read what he said and it has little to nothing to do with removing a point for a ball that's kicked through the end zone without being touched. It's just an excuse to bring up the 13th man penalty again because the Riders live rent free in a lot of Bomber fans heads.

Driving the ball 105 yards then fumbling or throwing an interception or missing a FG and the ball going through the end zone without being touched, should all have the same result... Zero points. It's not the drive that matters, it's the failure at the end of the drive that matters. If you kick off and the ball goes through the end zone without being touched, you get no points, despite the fact that kicking a ball through the end zone is a huge kick. Why should you get a point if you kick it through the end zone from closer in? You wear socks in the house? That's crazy.

Everyone knows it's sock-shoe, sock-shoe. Anything else is just crazy talk.

12 on the line blocks are legal. It was the 13th man that was the problem. It's not 'dumping the rouge' it's 'dumping the single point on a missed FG that goes through the end zone without being touched'. Kinda like when a kickoff goes through the end zone without getting touched. No point awarded.