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If you read what I was typing, instead of reacting emotionally, you'd understand what I'm saying. I expect you will continue to throw around the racist taunt when I disagree with you because that's your way of 'discussing' this issue. Either agree with your take or be racist. FTR: I completely disagree with judging people based on their skin colour or their race. I suspect you agree with that. The difference is, I include white people in my definition, and you don't seem to.

Indian isn't the same a the N word otherwise it would be known as the I word. The more you post the more you sound like you suffer from 'white guilt' but unless your family was part of the top 10% of earners the only thing you have in common with the Europeans who took over North America is your skin colour, which makes 'white guilt' pretty damn racist.

Not because it doesn't fit with my argument. Because no one in the Government has mentioned the Eskimos name at all. FTR: There are degrees. Redskin is like the N word or Paleface would be. Eskimo is like Indian or Black or White.

This simply has no merit. The Eskimos name doesn't prevent the Feds from giving the CFL a bailout. Personally, I'd have no problems with Whities or Palefaces. It's insane in 2020 to name teams after ethnicity, it wasn't when the Eskimos, Redskins, Braves, Indians, etc were named. If the majority of Canadian's want the names to be changed, then the names should be changed. The Fighting Irish logo shows the stereotypical racist image of a drunk Irishman wanting to fight. The Eskimos is a double E. If anything, the Fighting Irish is more racist. It would be like the Eskimo logo being a drunk Eskimo leaning against a wall. That being said, I don't have any problems with the Fighting Irish either.

According to this thread... 1. If you're against a forced name change for the Eskimos you're nothing more than a stupid racist. 2. You don't want to have a vote on it because even 50% of people who bother to vote is too high a bar. Assuming that means you're worried that more than half don't agree, you're saying more than half are nothing more than stupid racists. Sounds legit. FTR: Voting has nothing to do with right and wrong. It has to do with political will.

Your bad at guessing. We're not talking about where a football stadium is being built or a name for a new team. We're talking about a sports team changing their name after 70 years or so. I'm talking about the barest of majorities, 50%+ of those who take the time and effort to actually vote. Maybe you've heard of democracy? It's the system we're supposed to be using. It's not called minority rules ya know.

Black Lives Matter? Bar Life Matters? Bo Levi Mitchell? Which BLM is it?

If 50% or more Canadians want them to change their name, then they should certainly look into it. If not, then the majority should rule and we can all forget it for another couple of years.

I didn't say there was. I said it was in a single native language. IE not every native language. FTR: I'm no expert in native languages, I'm only going by what I've read on the subject and the etymology of the word Eskimo isn't as cut and dry as some folks think. From Wikipedia: The most commonly accepted etymological origin of the word "Eskimo" is derived by Ives Goddard at the Smithsonian Institution, from the Montagnais (see Algonquian languages) word meaning "snowshoe-netter"[15] or "to net snowshoes".[14] The word assime·w means "she laces a snowshoe" in Montagnais. Montagnais speakers refer to the neighbouring Mi'kmaq people using words that sound like eskimo[37][38] In 1978, Jose Mailhot, a Quebec anthropologist who speaks Montagnais, published a paper suggesting that Eskimo meant "people who speak a different language".[39][40] French traders who encountered the Montagnais in the eastern areas, adopted their word for the more western peoples and spelled it as Esquimau in a transliteration.[citation needed] Some people consider Eskimo offensive because it is popularly perceived to mean[15][40][41][42] "eaters of raw meat" in Algonquian languages common to people along the Atlantic coast.[14][43][44] One Cree speaker suggested the original word that became corrupted to Eskimo might have been askamiciw (which means "he eats it raw"); the Inuit are referred to in some Cree texts as askipiw (which means "eats something raw").[43][44][45][46] From Webster: Eskimo is a word that presents challenges for anyone who is concerned about avoiding the use of offensive language. Its perceived offensiveness stems partly from a now-discredited belief that it was originally a pejorative term meaning "eater of raw flesh," but perhaps more significantly from its being a word imposed on aboriginal peoples by outsiders.

It means "Eats Raw Meat" in single native language, which is more explanatory than derogatory because they ate raw seal. You shouldn't mind being called stupid then, but I won't go there. I'm not defending racism. I'm defending freedom of speech. If you don't like Eskimo, don't use it. If you don't like Indian, don't use it. If you don't like the N word, don't use it. It doesn't matter what words you don't like. Give them whatever power you want to, just don't call anyone who disagrees with your opinion stupid and don't expect everyone to agree with your definitions.

Not even all the Inuit have a problem with Eskimo or maybe we should start saying the "E" word. A portion of a group of people think that the word that's been used for that group of people for a hundred years or more is now racist. How is that enough for a forced change? If your going to use Wikipedia at least tell the whole story. The Eskimos have been the Eskimos since 1949. Formerly known as: The "Esquimaux" 1897 to 1910, the "Elks" in 1922, which is before they joined the CFL. It wasn't just Calgary media who insulted Edmonton. It also Edmonton media insulting Calgary. Eskimo refers to Inuit, Yupik and Aleut so no, they aren't all properly called Inuit. Eskimo is an all encompassing word, like Indian for all the southern tribes. (Note: 'Indian' is now considered racist by some) The word Inuit was adopted in 1977. Some Yupik in Alaska and Russia object to being called “Inuit,” which is not a word in their language, but they accept Eskimo. They use the "E" word among themselves like Black folks use the "N" word among themselves. Eskimo supposedly means "Raw Meat Eaters" in Algonquin. What's insulting/degrading in that anyway? I love tartar. In short, Eskimo is perfectly fine for a lot of people, including some of those who are called Eskimos.

If Edmonton had changed their name in the 80's, when a group of people decided that Eskimos was now a racist term, then you'd have point, but they've been the Eskimos since 1949. Your putting a 2020 filter on a name that was perfectly fine when it was given to the team. I'm all for it if Edmonton wants to change the name to match today's sensibilities, but I'm against them being forced into it.

I'm offended... OK. I'm offended, you have to change... Nope, just nope. It's the same as My religion says I can't do this... OK.. My religion says you can't do this. Nope, just nope. What it is is blatant censorship that does nothing to change peoples opinions or the way they think. It's just a waste of time, effort, and money to placate some offended folks.

People have a right to be offended and people have a right to offend. Being offended shouldn't mean the offenders should be forced to change.

BC's problems went far beyond paying too much for their QB. Too much change. First year of a major rebuild without Wally for the first time since 2003. Rookie coaches including the HC that couldn't figure out how to turn things around when they started going badly. Think back to MOS' first year for comparison. Horrible OL that suddenly got better when Kelly Bates finally replaced Bryan Chiu mid season. JJ as the OC who couldn't or wouldn't change the offence so their expensive QB didn't get killed game in and game out. Even fans know you have to have a running game and you can't throw bombs all day especially when your OL is truly horrible. A change to quick passes, adding screens and draws would have saved Reilly from getting killed, which in turn coulda changed the outcomes of some of their games, especially in the first half of the season. A defence that consistently gave up 30+ points till game 10 by which time their season was pretty much over at 1-9. Tons of injuries on a team that didn't have quality backups (This one is partly due to over paying Reilly and partly due to being the first year of a rebuild).

Doug Flutie - Best CFL QB Warren Moon - Second best Mike Pringle - Everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball, still couldn't stop him Jim Young - Dirty 30, shoulda been an NFL receiver Nik Lewis - Quick Nik or Thick Nik, he can play on my team any time. Larry Highbaugh - Dude could turn a game around by himself Gizmo Williams - Also turned games around by himself. James Quick Parker - Almost impossible to stop

I don't agree with Christion Jones' opinion nor do I agree with firing him for having that or any other unpopular opinion.

OK... I won't even try.

The CFL might not even exist if Braley hadn't saved the Ticats, the Lions and the Argos.

It's naive to think that the pandemic will be over in a couple of months and even more naive to think that the CFL can make any money with 5-10K fans in the stands (Ask Toronto how well it works).

If the players think they can still get their full salary while playing less than half the games, they're nuts.

The CFL Players’ Association COVID-19 season survey - https://3downnation.com/2020/06/16/the-cfl-players-association-covid-19-season-survey/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Some interesting questions being asked in this one. CFLPA files grievance, prepares for CBA negotiations: memo - https://3downnation.com/2020/06/16/cflpa-files-grievance-prepares-for-cba-negotiations-memo/ We live in interesting times.

I think I'll send in a tape where I do play by play in an Eeyore voice. I'd still be better than Rod Black.

You finally provided the 'Close prolonged contact' Dr. Not sure why it took days, but thanks. I was unfamiliar with the term because neither Dr. Hinshaw, the Alberta Chief Medical Officer nor Dr. Bonnie Henry, the BC health officer use that term and I don't read much MB news. From the first article I googled: "Remember that this virus is spread through close prolonged contact, coming within one to two metres of an infected individual,” said Dr. Roussin. The distance is also on the CDC site. According to the CDC: The definition of “prolonged exposure” was extended to refer to a time period of 15 or more minutes. So now we have a definition that we can both agree on: Close prolonged contact means 2 meters for 15 or more minutes. Training camp is 24/7 living together and players will be within 2 meters of each other for more than 15 minutes every day during training camp. This isn't about 'how things may progress'. We agree, assuming there is a season, that TC will open. You seem to be assuming that quarantine will be close to perfect so no one will get Covid. I'm assuming that at least one imperfect person will get it and spread it because that's what has happened in my personal experience and it's what happened in the German soccer league (Which is as close to the CFL situation as possible). I'm not solely basing my opinions on one or two agencies. I've read tons of articles on Covid-19 from various sources. It's interesting to see how things change throughout the pandemic and how much good and bad information is floating out there. It's also interesting to see how the story changes depending on what the Governments want people to do. When they wanted everyone to stay home, the doom and gloom articles came out. When they want everyone back to work, the everything's OK, it's harder to get than we thought, articles come out. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. I'm sure that everyone would like it if we just stopped arguing, so I'm done.

We've both made our minds up. You're basing your opinion on a Dr. who suspiciously has something to sell that addresses the issue. I'm basing my opinion on the CDC and the Mayo clinic who have nothing to sell to address the issue. Training camps will start up because Politician's do what's popular rather than follow the science. The CFL and the CFLPA will find people who agree because they need the season to start to make any money from football this year. They'll choose to ignore what doesn't work for them. The teams will have the players sign off going back to work and will get the players to sign a daily waiver to say they aren't infected so they can't sue. I asked for where you were getting your info from. You replied with the 3rd down article. I accepted it even though it doesn't speak about "close prolonged contact" and noted that 24/7 is close prolonged contact anyway. Now you're saying there's more in depth info elsewhere without providing any sources. I never suggested that the world isn't going to open up again. Of course it will.