Mark H.

This week Wally will call time out to ice Hall in fourth quarter...Burke's secret it out now...

Just heard from the coach's show that Pencer is indeed sitting.

I don't buy that it's a pile of crud for players. There's a hell of a lot of talent on the defense there that the coaches are utterly failing to get the most out of week in and week out. We've seen what they can do in week 2 and in the banjo bowl with proper coaching, it's damned impressive, but most weeks they're lost, that's a lack of clear direction from the coaches. I know full well who hired Burke and I've been talking about that being an issue for longer than anyone else, but to simply say the talent isn't there is a fallacy. There's talent there, the coaches aren't getting the most out of it, not even close. I can make a guess that these tackles didn't just pop up out of nowhere simply because the scouting system hasn't changed through it all. It's a pretty safe assumption that these same scouts would have presented these same players to whoever the GM was. Once you put down the haterade you're drinking and look at things objectively you might stop blaming absolutely everyone on this false notion that Joe Mack couldn't and wouldn't bring in any talent worth a damn. Mike Kelly's team had an impressive defense too...DB and DL in particular.

why do you care who your QB is in 5 years when you ought to be trying to win a Grey Cup next year?? Because this team isn't good enough to win a GC next year, and (if there is a God) will be adjusting to new coaches and schemes. Why take on Ray's contract and the limitations it'll put on the rest of our roster; if we're more than Ray away from being a GC contender? I'm not saying Collaros is a better QB than Ray... I'm saying Collaros makes more sense for a rebuilding team that needs more than just a QB. >implying that teams haven't turned around from **** to win the GC in recent years >implying that teams with new HCs and systems haven't won GCs in recent years >implying that teams with big contracts at QB haven't won GCs in recent years Good points all of them. I'm implying that there have not been a disaster of the Bombers' magnitude turn it all around into a GC in recent years. I'd love to win a GC next year... and I'd love Ricky Ray too. I just think we need more pieces than just Ray; and that his contract could well handcuff us from addressing those areas. Why not spend the $400k between Collaros, Chris Best, and another piece? And yes, I am implying that I'd like us to trade for/sign Chris Best as well. The 1999 Hamilton Ti-cats?

Assuming the freeze is a week before the expansion draft on Dec. 13, the trade freeze would be effective Dec. 6. So there is a bit of time between the Grey Cup and the trade freeze to swing a deal.

Given that he's a FA after this season that would be a rather *ahem* high price. Maybe pull an Eskie move and deal a 3rd or similar for the exclusive right to talk to him? But obviously that doesn't guarantee anything, and given the Ottawa complications he may be smart just to wait it out and hope for a bidding war to develop. Considering all that, giving up a first rounder should be considered. Or maybe a second rounder and Henoc Muamba...then Toronto can work on signing him till Feb. 15 I don't even think you need to include a 2nd rounder in that trade with Henoc. Collaros for Henoc straight up. Since they're both pending FA's with the dispersal draft coming up, you might be right. Plus TO has a history of starting NI LB's.

Given that he's a FA after this season that would be a rather *ahem* high price. Maybe pull an Eskie move and deal a 3rd or similar for the exclusive right to talk to him? But obviously that doesn't guarantee anything, and given the Ottawa complications he may be smart just to wait it out and hope for a bidding war to develop. Considering all that, giving up a first rounder should be considered. Or maybe a second rounder and Henoc Muamba...then Toronto can work on signing him till Feb. 15

I don't disagree with you Bluto .... but Ray is what 35? At SOME point you have to consider it, especially if you think you have a young, viable option on hand. Look at Montreal. They kept Calvillo for too long imo. RR turns 34 next month...that's not bad at all. With good protection he's got 5 seasons left.

What??? He clearly blamed Washington for not knocking it down, saying he is too young. He did not blame it on the O. He blames everybody for everything IN PUBLIC! That's exactly what I heard.

I'm in. And maybe, just maybe, we're on the way to building a good OL for him. Some good things shown on Friday night.

To me it looked like the Esks made adjustments to our scheme after the first quarter. I guess it takes more than four weeks to rebuild a playbook.... That's working under the assumption that Bellefeuille is actually a quality offensive coordinator, he isn't one either. He's better than what we had. If he's not using Crowton's stuff, then there's no way the O can be very deep right now.

No, it isn't rocket science. Which why the opposition just might make some adjustments to what you're doing. And using OT's that have only been here few days means you have to go with a simpler playbook.

They've said right up front that they basically started from scratch with the playbook.

Even the best people get upset sometimes, it happens.

To me it looked like the Esks made adjustments to our scheme after the first quarter. I guess it takes more than four weeks to rebuild a playbook....

Jones is a keeper at Left Tackle. Knapp on the other side maybe not. Give Knapp a break... 4 days with the team... wasn't in game shape.... the guy did more then enough. We didnt' lose because of KNapp that's for sure. Could be. We'll see how he does going forward...

So you're saying there's no way the game could've been won?

Jones is a keeper at Left Tackle. Knapp on the other side maybe not.

Yeah, I thought those guys did fairly well. Hope to God we've seen the last of Boatman and Morley.

I just feel sorry the players...guys were genuinely trying tonight. This team has not quit...YET

I guess we're still on the bloody cusp.

But...we were on the cusp...

Well of course he is. People like to keep their jobs. What I meant was he has done a subpar job and should be let go and is now making excuses and angeling to be kept. Maybe. But think he knows he's done and has two years of pay cheques to collect. He's making excuses because no one likes to be held responsible for poor performance. But at this point he'd be better off resorting to cliches.

Jordan said to us on Argofans that he enjoyed the freedom it gave him to make reads and to apply his athleticism towards playmaking. i think Jovon still has it in him... if he and his coaches can adjust, it could be a bug asset for Jovon prolong his career) as well as the Bombers. At end of the day...this teams will still need vets...going forward.

Ahh revisionist history. Burke was tapped as HC, because he was the most highly touted "next CFL HC" around the league. People were TERRIFIED we were going to lose him if we didn't promote him. Precisely. But that is merely fan opinion. What concerns me more is management's evaluation of head coaching candidates...or rather...the lack of it.